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<p class="MsoNormal">Perfect, thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Bill, you keep dropping all these nuggets around the benefits of the (relatively) new doe2.3 mode in equest… I might be on the verge of becoming a convert!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">~Nick<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3A7A46">Nick Caton, P.E., BEMP</span></b><span style="color:#3A7A46"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Bishop, Bill <bbishop@pathfinder-ea.com> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 14, 2018 11:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nicholas Caton <Nicholas.Caton@schneider-electric.com>; equest-users@onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Heatpump ARI conditions - fun with eQUEST curves<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="color:red">[External email: Use caution with links and attachments]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hey Nick,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Short answer – high.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Longer answer - These are the default curves in eQUEST for a packaged heat pump:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in"><span style="color:#1F497D">Using trial and error, and a guess of the rated conditions, you can use the curve coefficients and enter combinations of independent variables (Edb and OAT) to find the corresponding
 dependent variable (multiplier on hourly EIR or capacity). These curves should give a dependent/output value of 1.0 at the rated conditions. The two EDB&OAT curves give 1.0 output using 70F EDB and 47F OAT.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.25in"><span style="color:#1F497D">When creating custom curves, these should always be created in sets based on the same rating conditions. You could create an alternative set of curves that are normalized (give 1.0 output)
 at 70F EDB and 17F OAT for example. Then you would have to enter the capacity and EIR at the low temperature.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Fun fact – the new beta eQUEST 3.65 build 7174, when run in DOE-2.3 mode, has inputs for temperatures at the rated conditions, and shows the default value temperatures. (The defaults for heat pump heating are
 70F EDB, 47F OAT, which I found out after I had already used the trial and error method.) New keywords include RATED-EDB, RATED-EWB, RATED-ECT, and for heating, HT-RATED-EDB, HT-RATED-ECT. The hourly simulation takes these alternative rating condition values
 into account.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Happy Friday,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">~Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Equest-users [<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nicholas Caton via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 14, 2018 11:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@onebuilding.org">equest-users@onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Heatpump ARI conditions<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi everyone, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’ve done a little homework/skimming and am coming up dry on a particular question:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Packaged heatpump performance is defined by ARI Standard 210/240 (for units under 65,000 Btu/h cooling) and ARI Standard 240/360 (for larger heatpumps).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Both the previous 2007 and the current 2015 published versions of these standards have two sets of ambient conditions for heating mode, “high temp” and “low temp.”  Here’s a reference from the 2007 copy (I think 2015 has no changes in this
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here is an example of the sort of capacity and efficiency stats we can expect to see from a manufacturer (this is a packaged heatpump unit by Trane):<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><u>The major question here is…</u></b><u> which set of conditions (high vs. low) are expected for developing doe2/eQuest gross capacity and HIR inputs?</u>  Put another way, are the curves in the library built around one of these specific
 condition sets?  I’ve always used the higher capacity set (High temp), but when I went to confirm against the doe2 reference entries for these inputs I didn’t see anything specified other than “ARI conditions.”<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">~Nick<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3A7A46">Nick Caton, P.E., BEMP</span></b><span style="color:#3A7A46"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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