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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m happy to hear you found a resolution!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I do think it’s generally good practice to build your proposed/actual case fully before generating a prescriptive baseline, where the baseline inputs inevitably depend upon details and decisions of the proposed case. “Starting over” with
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Jing Hong [mailto:hongjing.shirley@gmail.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 17, 2018 5:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nicholas Caton <Nicholas.Caton@schneider-electric.com><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Space plenums have cooling load<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">Thanks for your reply. Coz my proposed U-value is worse than the baseline, it is normal that the baseline has a bit lower cooling load than the proposed. However,
the plenum cooling load in the baseline is way much lower than those in the proposed, which should not be.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Nicholas Caton <<a href="mailto:Nicholas.Caton@schneider-electric.com" target="_blank">Nicholas.Caton@schneider-electric.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">It seems unintuitive to assert that your proposed case plenums has increased cooling loads – is there a good set of reasons for this?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I’m also unclear on what you mean by “it still shows cooling load for those space” – could you unpack this a little further?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Systems which use the plenums as a return air path could be a cause for why their loads are seen at the systems (though it sounds like you intend for them to be isolated). I might
start with considering the sources of heat gains to your plenums, and determining what
<u>should</u> be happening to direct/indirect heat gains to plenums over time. Should they be circulated back to systems responding to conditioned spaces? Common sources would include indirect gains from ceiling lighting fixtures, envelope (skin) loads (potentially
exacerbated if spandrel glass is present), and internal loads transferred hourly from conditioned spaces below and from adjacent plenums.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">If I had your model in-hand, I might scan for the presence of thermostat heating/cooling schedules being assigned to your plenum spaces, or assignments to a plenum space as a master
zone for specific system types. Those could produce direct calls for airstream heating/cooling which otherwise wouldn’t be occurring.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 17, 2018 10:43 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Space plenums have cooling load<o:p></o:p></p>
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model have much higher cooling load than the baseline one. How could I modify it?<o:p></o:p></p>
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