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    I always dealt with polygons in the wire frame view so I could see
    visually what I was selecting.  Even that is deceiving.  It is hard
    to explain but a polygon has direction also.  A polygon, say
    defining a wall between 2 areas, will have a set of coordinates in
    one area but have the same numerical values but different order and
    possibly sign when referenced in the other area.<br>
    I played with this when deleting a zone and then changing an common
    interior wall to an exterior wall.  It was a brutal conceptual
    challenge and I do just about anything to avoid playing with
    polygons.  Again you need to keep track of all the vertices.<br>
    I don't think you need to go there with what your problem is.  You
    haven't snapped accurately to some vertices when inputting your CAD
    drawing.  You have some floating orphans in there.  eQuest will make
    polygons out of these tiny spaces.  If it runs it won't run
    properly.  My opinion is you need to deal with it at the CAD input
    stage right where you have the problem.  You also need to have a
    simple CAD layer to create a simple wire frame in eQuest.  Any CAD
    drawing you get has way too much information on it and way too many
    things to snap to at a corner.  You could take the drawing and mark
    the centre lines of all the walls you want to use for zones and give
    them points. +/- 1" is fine to the model.  Your CAD input has to be
    consistent and exact to .01.<br>
    I think it would be faster if you start over than try to get into
    the polygon thing.  With all the models I have done I have blown a
    1,000 hours easy learning the hard way.  So even in 2018 I still
    follow my advice in the 2 emails.  Even 1 orphan missed will come
    back to haunt you later.<br>
    I put this back on the list, it is important and there is a ton of
    expertise there if I have missed anything and the current archive
    only seems to go back to 2015.<br>
    Bruce<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/31/2018 11:37 AM, Faisal Sharif
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          Morning Bruce </div>
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          you so much for the useful advices... I had reviewed both
          emails ... appreciate y'r time </div>
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          am looking for a reference regarding the Polygon View
          Properties .. I still do not understand the concept of the
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          don't have a pre-experience with AutoCAD or similar ... I do
          need to understand what are those entries all about. </div>
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          there is no help in R-click ... and can't find much in the
          guidelines pdf files </div>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:13 AM,
            Bruce Easterbrook <span dir="ltr"><<a
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              <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Morning Faisal,<br>
                I couldn't search back far enough in the equest archives
                but found this in mine from 2010.<br>
                It may be a little more appropriate to your problem.  I
                think between the 2 that you may clue into what is
                causing your problem.  I always snap to CAD as you
                mentioned but I always found a few vertices not exactly
                the same and with my plot and vertices map adjust then
                immediately.  It seemed to prevent your last problem.<br>
                Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng.<br>
                Abode Engineering<br>
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                      <td><span>Subject: Re: eQuest walk through
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                      <td><span>From: Bruce Easterbrook <a
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                      <td><span>Date: 10/22/2010 2:14 PM</span></td>
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                      <td><span>To: <a
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                  lang="x-western"> <font face="Helvetica, Arial,
                    sans-serif">  There are tutorials which come with
                    the eQuest program.  Go to your Document folder on
                    your computer, you will see</font><font size="+1"><font
                      face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"> </font></font>eQuest
                  3-6x Data, and eQuest 3-6x Projects.  Go into the
                  eQuest 3-6x Data folder  and you will see a Tutorials
                  folder, there are 3 in the All folder, also in the
                  DetailedUI folder there is information on the Detailed
                  Simulation Reports, it explains the SIM output.<br>
                    After that you just have to start a project, work
                  through it and learn.  I'm not sure which of my
                  replies you read but do lots of "save as" on your
                  model so you don't lose a lot of input information and
                  always have a back up file.  Believe me when I say you
                  will need it/them many times.  Stay in the wizards as
                  much as possible.  Ignore the warnings about losing
                  data when you go back into the wizard after you are
                  done.  Just don't input any information in the
                  detailed edit and then you have nothing to lose.  I
                  sit at this point for a long time, at the finish point
                  of the wizards, and keep going back into them and
                  completing/tuning my model.  Start simple, leave
                  windows to last, just put in one kind and do % of wall
                  until your model is built and running.  Use the
                  Autocad drawing file option and be <u>very</u>
                  careful inputting your vertices, they have to be <u>exact</u>. 
                  Also use exact coordinates, start your building at
                  0,0.  Enter your vertices in a counter clockwise
                  fashion.  I add in all the intersection points on the
                  perimeter as well when doing the shell.  That way you
                  can snap to them later when you are doing your
                  interior zones.  I normally copy the original cad file
                  and then use a copy to simplify it to make it easier
                  to use.  I make a new layer and put my simplification
                  on it.  I also print it out and mark all the vertices
                  on the plot so I can check them as I enter them.  Get
                  the building structure in first, let everything else
                  default, get the program running with no major
                  building errors.  And get a back-up ASAP!  Then start
                  working on your systems.  Each time you finish a
                  section finish the wizard, run a simulation, fix
                  important errors, many you can ignore and with
                  experience you will know which ones.  Save a copy, and
                  go back into the wizard and do another section.  Round
                  and round.  Windows last.<br>
                    It is a rough learning curve but worth it.  eQuest
                  is an excellent program once you learn how to use it. 
                  The key is not to jump in with both feet, ie input an
                  entire building, systems, windows, everything in one
                  go.  It won't go.  There is also a 99% chance eQuest
                  will just freeze and you will lose your input.  You
                  can blow many days to weeks of work and not have a
                  clue what the error was that crashed eQuest.  It is
                  impossible to get an error free input so don't try.<br>
                      The next important resource is your Projects
                  folder, the BDL file, and the INP file.  You can open
                  both with a text editor.  If things aren't running you
                  can get valuable clues from the BDL file as to what
                  eQuest was processing when it kicked out.  If it runs
                  through it will create the INP file, also good for
                  checking for inconsistencies.  The other important
                  file is the PD2, that is your wizard input.  Last but
                  not least, if your simulation runs, which is
                  processing the INP file you will get the SIM file
                  which can also be opened with a text editor.<br>
                    There may be a few errors/gaps in this response, I
                  have not had eQuest open in a month or 2 and this is
                  off the top of my head.  Hopefully if anything is
                  glaring one of my fellow modellers will point it out.<br>
                  Good Luck and have lots of patience.<br>
                  Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng.<br>
                  Abode Engineering<br>
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                    <font size="2" face="sans-serif">Hi Bruce,</font> <br>
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                    <font size="2" face="sans-serif">I am new to eQuest
                      and wonder if you can send me the walkthrough
                      tutorial, or any other material, you talked about
                      in the eQuest blog</font> <br>
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                      Thank you,<br>
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                      José Luis <br>
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                    <div
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">I
                      am facing errors when trying to simulate the
                      energy model </div>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">A
                      CAD file is imported</div>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">When
                      trying to review the vertices ... I find many
                      vertices are not aligned with each other </div>
                    <div
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">trying
                      to tune a vertice, say for x coordinate 15.94 to
                      15.96 to match the previous vertice ... the
                      vertice shift to totally different location </div>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">I
                      only make snapping on the CAD file to custom the
                      zones ... </div>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">Not
                      sure where the problem is exactly coming from .. </div>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">the
                      other issue is about the CAD Drawing Properties 
                      AND the Polygon View Properties </div>
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                      can't find much details about how to use or adjust
                      in the eQuest reference </div>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">This
                      became as persistence problem when importing a CAD
                      File ... which hider my efforts to perform
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