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I always dealt with polygons in the wire frame view so I could see
visually what I was selecting. Even that is deceiving. It is hard
to explain but a polygon has direction also. A polygon, say
defining a wall between 2 areas, will have a set of coordinates in
one area but have the same numerical values but different order and
possibly sign when referenced in the other area.<br>
I played with this when deleting a zone and then changing an common
interior wall to an exterior wall. It was a brutal conceptual
challenge and I do just about anything to avoid playing with
polygons. Again you need to keep track of all the vertices.<br>
I don't think you need to go there with what your problem is. You
haven't snapped accurately to some vertices when inputting your CAD
drawing. You have some floating orphans in there. eQuest will make
polygons out of these tiny spaces. If it runs it won't run
properly. My opinion is you need to deal with it at the CAD input
stage right where you have the problem. You also need to have a
simple CAD layer to create a simple wire frame in eQuest. Any CAD
drawing you get has way too much information on it and way too many
things to snap to at a corner. You could take the drawing and mark
the centre lines of all the walls you want to use for zones and give
them points. +/- 1" is fine to the model. Your CAD input has to be
consistent and exact to .01.<br>
I think it would be faster if you start over than try to get into
the polygon thing. With all the models I have done I have blown a
1,000 hours easy learning the hard way. So even in 2018 I still
follow my advice in the 2 emails. Even 1 orphan missed will come
back to haunt you later.<br>
I put this back on the list, it is important and there is a ton of
expertise there if I have missed anything and the current archive
only seems to go back to 2015.<br>
Bruce<br>
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you so much for the useful advices... I had reviewed both
emails ... appreciate y'r time </div>
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am looking for a reference regarding the Polygon View
Properties .. I still do not understand the concept of the
inputs </div>
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don't have a pre-experience with AutoCAD or similar ... I do
need to understand what are those entries all about. </div>
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there is no help in R-click ... and can't find much in the
guidelines pdf files </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 11:13 AM,
Bruce Easterbrook <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Morning Faisal,<br>
I couldn't search back far enough in the equest archives
but found this in mine from 2010.<br>
It may be a little more appropriate to your problem. I
think between the 2 that you may clue into what is
causing your problem. I always snap to CAD as you
mentioned but I always found a few vertices not exactly
the same and with my plot and vertices map adjust then
immediately. It seemed to prevent your last problem.<br>
Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng.<br>
Abode Engineering<br>
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lang="x-western"> <font face="Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif"> There are tutorials which come with
the eQuest program. Go to your Document folder on
your computer, you will see</font><font size="+1"><font
face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif"> </font></font>eQuest
3-6x Data, and eQuest 3-6x Projects. Go into the
eQuest 3-6x Data folder and you will see a Tutorials
folder, there are 3 in the All folder, also in the
DetailedUI folder there is information on the Detailed
Simulation Reports, it explains the SIM output.<br>
After that you just have to start a project, work
through it and learn. I'm not sure which of my
replies you read but do lots of "save as" on your
model so you don't lose a lot of input information and
always have a back up file. Believe me when I say you
will need it/them many times. Stay in the wizards as
much as possible. Ignore the warnings about losing
data when you go back into the wizard after you are
done. Just don't input any information in the
detailed edit and then you have nothing to lose. I
sit at this point for a long time, at the finish point
of the wizards, and keep going back into them and
completing/tuning my model. Start simple, leave
windows to last, just put in one kind and do % of wall
until your model is built and running. Use the
Autocad drawing file option and be <u>very</u>
careful inputting your vertices, they have to be <u>exact</u>.
Also use exact coordinates, start your building at
0,0. Enter your vertices in a counter clockwise
fashion. I add in all the intersection points on the
perimeter as well when doing the shell. That way you
can snap to them later when you are doing your
interior zones. I normally copy the original cad file
and then use a copy to simplify it to make it easier
to use. I make a new layer and put my simplification
on it. I also print it out and mark all the vertices
on the plot so I can check them as I enter them. Get
the building structure in first, let everything else
default, get the program running with no major
building errors. And get a back-up ASAP! Then start
working on your systems. Each time you finish a
section finish the wizard, run a simulation, fix
important errors, many you can ignore and with
experience you will know which ones. Save a copy, and
go back into the wizard and do another section. Round
and round. Windows last.<br>
It is a rough learning curve but worth it. eQuest
is an excellent program once you learn how to use it.
The key is not to jump in with both feet, ie input an
entire building, systems, windows, everything in one
go. It won't go. There is also a 99% chance eQuest
will just freeze and you will lose your input. You
can blow many days to weeks of work and not have a
clue what the error was that crashed eQuest. It is
impossible to get an error free input so don't try.<br>
The next important resource is your Projects
folder, the BDL file, and the INP file. You can open
both with a text editor. If things aren't running you
can get valuable clues from the BDL file as to what
eQuest was processing when it kicked out. If it runs
through it will create the INP file, also good for
checking for inconsistencies. The other important
file is the PD2, that is your wizard input. Last but
not least, if your simulation runs, which is
processing the INP file you will get the SIM file
which can also be opened with a text editor.<br>
There may be a few errors/gaps in this response, I
have not had eQuest open in a month or 2 and this is
off the top of my head. Hopefully if anything is
glaring one of my fellow modellers will point it out.<br>
Good Luck and have lots of patience.<br>
Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng.<br>
Abode Engineering<br>
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and wonder if you can send me the walkthrough
tutorial, or any other material, you talked about
in the eQuest blog</font> <br>
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Thank you,<br>
<br>
José Luis <br>
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<div
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">I
am facing errors when trying to simulate the
energy model </div>
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CAD file is imported</div>
<div
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">When
trying to review the vertices ... I find many
vertices are not aligned with each other </div>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">trying
to tune a vertice, say for x coordinate 15.94 to
15.96 to match the previous vertice ... the
vertice shift to totally different location </div>
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style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">I
only make snapping on the CAD file to custom the
zones ... </div>
<div
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">Not
sure where the problem is exactly coming from .. </div>
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<div
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">the
other issue is about the CAD Drawing Properties
AND the Polygon View Properties </div>
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can't find much details about how to use or adjust
in the eQuest reference </div>
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<div
style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#0b5394">This
became as persistence problem when importing a CAD
File ... which hider my efforts to perform
simulation </div>
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