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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=SK link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Dear Nick,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you very much for your advice. Some more informations for Baseline HVAC system selection:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'>LEED 2009 – new construction<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'>AHU District heating is clearly dominant source with 92000 kWh/a when compared to 8400 kWh/a for electric VRV heating<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoListParagraph style='margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4'>The note under Table G3.1.1A allows to base system selection on predominant conditions which is DES in our case so I would have a tendency to go with System 7 for our building and use DES as the only heating source in Baseline building?<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:SK'>Ing. Milan Janák, PhD Simulácie Budov, s.r.o.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:SK'>BREEAM AP Čajakova 13<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:SK'>BREEAM Assessor 81105 Bratislava<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:SK'>Member ASHRAE, CIBSE, SKGBC Slovakia<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:SK'><a href="http://www.simulaciebudov.sk"><span lang=EN-US>www.simulaciebudov.sk</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:SK'> GSM: +421(0)903776610<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='mso-fareast-language:SK'>Od:</span></b><span style='mso-fareast-language:SK'> Nicholas Caton [mailto:Nicholas.Caton@schneider-electric.com] <br><b>Odoslané:</b> piatok, 1. decembra 2017 21:50<br><b>Komu:</b> Milan Janak <janak@simulaciebudov.sk><br><b>Kópia:</b> equest-users@onebuilding.org<br><b>Predmet:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Baseline system selection for combination of DES and electrict<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:JA'>Hi Milan,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:JA'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:JA'>For more constructive responses, you might want to provide further description of what you mean by “baseline system selection.” Is this for a specific energy standard or version of LEED, or something else for compliance modeling? Are you exploring new construction or renovation options outside the constraints of something like LEED or an energy standard? Each of these scenarios might provoke different advice for baseline system type decisions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:JA'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:JA'>In my experience with the likes of LEED reviews, I have more than once run into circumstances where building heating source or other factors appear to make more than one 90.1 baseline system type “correct” for the same spatial areas of the building (i.e. furnace preheat, electric coil reheat for a VAVS system). In those scenarios, I’ve been deliberate in my initial submission to generate extra documentation to clearly present the conundrum in application of the standard, and to make the case for why I elected to choose one type over another – typically demonstrating and illustrating for example something like “the majority (XX%) of airstream heating over the year is shown to be via combustion heating sources relative to electric heating sources.” I’ve never had a LEED reviewer reject a clearly made case under those circumstances.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:JA'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:JA'>There also exists the option to use more than one baseline system type where that makes the most sense. There are for example in 90.1 exceptions to the “one system per floor” rule that define circumstances under which you <i>may</i> (or <i>must</i> – depends on your interpretation) define additional system types. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:JA'>For what it’s worth, I *personally* interpret these rules and corresponding exceptions for the quantity and variety of baseline system types as a series of <u>guidelines</u> to judge what’s appropriate, and aren’t to be taken too rigidly/literally (i.e. don’t get hung up over whether a very different system covers a specific square footage when it also covers nearly half the building – there’s an obvious case there for >1 system type). I know others like to interpret this language very rigidly however, and respect that position if that helps you sort out applying the standard.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:JA'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:JA'>~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:JA'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3A7A46;mso-fareast-language:JA'><img border=0 width=726 height=9 style='width:7.5666in;height:.0916in' id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.png@01D36CDE.661CA850"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3A7A46;mso-fareast-language:JA'>Nick Caton, P.E., BEMP</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='color:#3A7A46;mso-fareast-language:JA'><o:p></o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=724 style='width:543.0pt;border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td width=230 valign=top style='width:172.3pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#626469;mso-fareast-language:JA'> Senior Energy Engineer</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:JA'><br></span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#626469;mso-fareast-language:JA'> Regional Energy Engineering Manager<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#626469;mso-fareast-language:JA'> Energy and Sustainability Services</span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:JA'><br></span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#626469;mso-fareast-language:JA'> Schneider Electric</span><span style='color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:JA'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=291 valign=top style='width:218.3pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#57B069;mso-fareast-language:JA'>D </span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#626469;mso-fareast-language:JA'>913.564.6361 </span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:JA'><br></span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#57B069;mso-fareast-language:JA'>M </span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#626469;mso-fareast-language:JA'>785.410.3317 </span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:JA'><br></span><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#57B069;mso-fareast-language:JA'>F </span><span 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style='height:4.0pt'><td width=724 colspan=3 valign=top style='width:543.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:4.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-line-height-alt:4.0pt'><span style='color:#3A7A46;mso-fareast-language:JA'><img border=0 width=722 height=49 style='width:7.5166in;height:.5083in' id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image002.png@01D36CDE.661CA850"><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:JA'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:JA'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:JA'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:JA'> Equest-users [<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Milan Janak via Equest-users<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 01, 2017 6:18 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Baseline system selection for combination of DES and electrict<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>We would like to ask for an advice related to the Baseline System selection for:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0cm' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'>Office building with 8 floor and 12865m2 area<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'>VRV electric cooling<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'>VRV electric heating<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3'>District heating for Air Handling Units<o:p></o:p></li></ol><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:SK'>Ing. Milan Janák, PhD Simulácie Budov, s.r.o.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:SK'>BREEAM AP Čajakova 13<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:SK'>BREEAM Assessor 81105 Bratislava<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:SK'>Member ASHRAE, CIBSE, SKGBC Slovakia<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='mso-fareast-language:SK'><a href="http://www.simulaciebudov.sk"><span lang=EN-US>www.simulaciebudov.sk</span></a></span><span lang=EN-US style='mso-fareast-language:SK'> GSM: +421(0)903776610<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;mso-fareast-language:JA'><br>______________________________________________________________________<br>This email has been scanned by the Symantec Email Security.cloud service.<br>______________________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>