<div dir="ltr">Hi Bruce,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for your instruction. Your suggestion makes a lot of sense. But I am wondering, if I make the ventilated zones as conditioned zones,eQuest will ask for Thermostat, etc. Should I make the Cooling set point very high and heating setppoint very low to avoid eQuest calculates loads? By your experience, will that affect my space cool or space heat number?</div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Jing</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Bruce Easterbrook <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bruce5@bellnet.ca" target="_blank">bruce5@bellnet.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    It is what I do, at least initially.  You can change it later.  The
    reason is that if it is an actual system then eQuest will generate
    reams of data on it, you can do hourly reports to get more.  You can
    also play with it's settings and see the impact on the adjoining
    building zones.  A model is an investigation and a platform to
    experiment to find the most energy efficient way to condition the
    building and the cost implications so you can also also design an
    economically efficient building.<br>
    Ventilation is not very controlled and you have fans and motors
    consuming power to move this air.  So it is conditioned.  The main
    reason is, it is a power draw on the building.  You need to quantify
    it.  The next question is, is it the best way to do it?<br>
    Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng.<br>
    Abode Engineering<span class=""><br>
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    <div class="m_-8918575233417697851moz-cite-prefix">On 11/15/2017 10:32 PM, Jing Hong
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        <div dir="auto">Bruce, you mean in eQuest even if a zone needs
          ventilation only, I still have to set the zone as conditioned?
          Then I set the HVAC system as no heating or cooling. Is that
          correct?</div>
        <div dir="auto">Thanks,</div>
        <div dir="auto">Jing</div>
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          <div>On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 5:29 PM Bruce Easterbrook <<a href="mailto:bruce5@bellnet.ca" target="_blank">bruce5@bellnet.ca</a>>
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            <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Jing, I think the
              mistake is making the zone unconditioned.  You are trying
              to keep it under control with ventilation, therefore it is
              conditioned, no active heating or cooling but it is
              conditioned.  You also need the temperature profile of
              what is going on in that space so you can understand what
              is happening.  Buildings aren't always intuitive depending
              what is going on and where it is located.  You have a
              fully walled and windowed zone I presume.  For
              unconditioned I would think a space like a parking garage
              that is more than half open on 3 sides.<br>
              You also have the impacts of the floor below and the floor
              above which probably have larger boundary surfaces with
              your second floor space than that space has exterior
              wall.  It may not be energy efficient to let the second
              floor stay near exterior temperatures because of it's
              impact on the floors above and below.  By making it
              conditioned and giving it to a system will give you the
              information you need to evaluate whether you want to treat
              it with just ventilation.  Open up your heating and
              cooling set points so there really isn't going to be a
              call for heating and cooling and see what the temperatures
              in the space do.   Then start tinkering with the exhaust
              cfm and zone cooling set point to see if this is practical
              from an energy consumption point of view.  Also watch what
              is happening in the floor above and the floor below.  You
              can advantage of auto-sizing too.<br>
              Bruce Easterbook P.Eng.<br>
              Abode Engineering</div>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">SUM
                      system type. The DOE2.2 manuals do not explain the
                      SUM system type very well. From the DOE2.1e
                      manual:</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">4.
                      System Descriptions</span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">a.
                      Summation of LOADS to PLANT (SUM)</span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">This
                      is actually not a secondary HVAC distribution
                      system, but rather a diagnostic tool, which is
                      used to 1) pass the hourly LOADS program output to
                      the PLANT program without simulating a system, 2)
                      adjust the constant zone temperatures specified in
                      LOADS, 3) simulate the thermostat schedules (but
                      not the equipment), and 4) tabulate energy
                      consumption by ZONE (or group of ZONEs). SUM is
                      not a miscellaneous SYSTEM-TYPE for UNCONDITIONED
                      zones.</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">UNCONDITIONEO
                      ZONEs should be assigned to another SYSTEM.</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-GB">Christopher R. Jones</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" lang="EN-GB">, P.Eng.</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#6ea900">Please
                        consider the environment before printing...</span></i></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">
                      Equest-users [<a class="m_-8918575233417697851m_-5163425238655838452moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">mailto:equest-users-bounces@<wbr>lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jing Hong via Equest-users<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 15, 2017 2:13 PM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> <a class="m_-8918575233417697851m_-5163425238655838452moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.<wbr>onebuilding.org</a><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Zones with
                      different HVAC systems</span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">I have a building with more
                        than one kind HVAC system. I have the first
                        floor with VAV system, and the second floor only
                        has ventilation fans running. So I made all the
                        zones on Second Floor unconditioned, and choose
                        SUM as air-side HVAC system for second floor.
                        However, the Space Cool of no VAV for second
                        floor is even higher than that of the whole VAV,
                        which does not make sense to me. <br clear="all">
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Do you know how the eQuest
                          calculate Space Cool? Should The VAV energy
                          consumption be Space Cool+Vent. Fans shown on
                          the simulation output?</p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal">Jing</p>
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>PhD Candidate, LEED AP BD+C</div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">School of Architecture and Urban Planning</span></div><div>University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee</div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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