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    The problem is the manufacturers are way ahead in testing
    combinations.  It is rare for 2 or 3 coatings now, most are 2 and 3
    minimum.  Then throw in a new standard, NAFS.  <br>
    Bruce<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/8/2017 11:46 AM, Paul Diglio
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          87 Fairmont Avenue <br>
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                  <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b>
                  "Bishop, Bill" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bbishop@pathfinder-ea.com"><bbishop@pathfinder-ea.com></a><br>
                  <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b>
                  Bruce Easterbrook <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bruce5@bellnet.ca"><bruce5@bellnet.ca></a>; Paul
                  Diglio <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net"><paul.diglio@sbcglobal.net></a> <br>
                  <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b>
                  <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">"equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org"</a>
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                  <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
                  Friday, September 8, 2017 11:38 AM<br>
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                  RE: [Equest-users] Glass Library Question<br>
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                          id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1504832178680_76938">Sounds
                          like we could benefit from an updated DOE-2
                          window library based on Bruce’s observations.</span></div>
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                          to the meaning of “e3=.4”, per Table 7 in the
                          DOE-2 help entry for “WINDOW Library”:</span></div>
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                                    style="color:windowtext;">Low-E:</span></div>
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                                    style="color:windowtext;">A low
                                    emissivity metallic coating is
                                    applied in order to increase thermal
                                    IR reflectance.  The coated surface
                                    is indicated by en = v, where n = 1
                                    is the outside of the outer pane, n
                                    = 2 is the inside of the outer pane,
                                    etc., and v is the emissivity (see,
                                    for example, G-T-C = 2635, where e2
                                    = 0.1 indicates a coating with an
                                    emissivity of 0.1 on surface #2). 
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                          style="font-size:11.0pt;">So, “e3=.4”
                          describes an assembly with a low-e coating of
                          emissivity 0.4 on the inside surface of the
                          inner pane.</span></div>
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                          style="font-size:11.0pt;">Syracuse Glass has a
                          good list of considerations for low-e coatings
                          and whether to have them on the #2 or #3
                          surface. Generally, coat the #3 surface if
                          heat loss is the primary consideration, and
                          the #2 surface to limit solar heat gains.</span></div>
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                          style="font-size:11.0pt;">Regards,</span></div>
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                          style="font-size:11.0pt;">~Bill</span></div>
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                                style="font-size:11.0pt;"> Equest-users
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                                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bruce Easterbrook
                                via Equest-users<br clear="none">
                                <b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 08, 2017
                                11:19 AM<br clear="none">
                                <b>To:</b> Paul Diglio
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                                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Glass
                                Library Question</span></div>
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                          style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;">Hi Paul,<br
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                          <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank"
href="http://doe2.com/download/DOE-22/DOE22Vol4-Libraries_47.pdf"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">http://doe2.com/download/DOE-22/DOE22Vol4-Libraries_47.pdf</a>,
                          go further down to page 27 or page 33 on the
                          pdf numbering.  The last paragraph explains
                          that the coatings on the different glass
                          surfaces have complicated the library.  I
                          assume the e?.? is the new attempt to keep
                          track of the different coatings and also which
                          glass surface they are on.<br clear="none">
                          You are in the emissivity table.  The table
                          above is the reflective glazing and below is
                          electrochromic glazing.  With a thermopane
                          there are 4 glass surfaces and the new windows
                          can have all 3 of these types of coatings and
                          more in a single unit.<br clear="none">
                          I suspect you can find the actual meanings
                          here: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect"
                            target="_blank"
                            href="https://windows.lbl.gov/software/window/6/W63_faq.html"
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https://windows.lbl.gov/software/window/6/W63_faq.html</a> or <a
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                          Glass has got very complex in the last few
                          years and those charts represent products sold
                          in mid 2006.  Our new code asks for much
                          better performance than these glass types are
                          capable of.  The best of these represented a
                          window ER of 18 to 20.  Our code wanted 25. 
                          Some of the new windows are getting up to an
                          ER of 30 for a thermopane.  That huge bump is
                          almost all due to coatings and their
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                          Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng.<br clear="none">
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                                  the DOE-2 glass library I am looking
                                  at the double low-e (e3=.4) clear
                                  product, glass type code 2600.</span></div>
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                                  anyone know what the e3=.4 means? 
                                  There are other products, such as type
                                  2630 with e2=.1 with a much different
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                                  style="">Paul Diglio<br clear="none">
                                  87 Fairmont Avenue <br clear="none">
                                  New Haven, CT 06513 <br clear="none">
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