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Hi Nick,<br>
First of all, I can not assigned Lake/Well heat exchanger on CW
loop. I can attach Lake/Well heat exchanger on Lake/Well type
circulation loop and i can assign Lake/well circulation loop as
chiller condenser loop. We assigned design constant sea water
temperature with temperature schedule on equest ground loop heat
exchanger tab as you can see at the attachment.<br>
For example, i tryied this configuration on a simple model that
include air cooled chillers. We thought that when we changed air
cooled chiller with sea-water cooled chiller on same simple model,
the cooling electrical consumption will be decreased. But the
cooling consumption increased. Did we think mistake? <br>
<br>
Thank you for kindly helping<br>
Best Regards<br>
Sefa<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">14.08.2017 20:03 tarihinde Nicholas
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Sefa,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Chris Jones’s suggestion from a few months ago to try a
Lake/Well heat exchanger on the associated CW not work out?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">That
would permit you to “force feed” the temperatures seen by
the chillers in a direct fashion via temperature
scheduling. Picture follows for clarity.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Please
update your query with what you’ve tried and what seems to
be not working. I have another suggestion which may offer
some relative simplicity from a custom performance curve
development standpoint, but intuitively I also would have
tried the Lake/Well approach first to see if that gets the
job done.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sefa Sahin via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 14, 2017 6:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Sea-Water Cooled Chiller
Modeling<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Our project building is located in Istanbul/Turkey. Cooling
will be provided by centralised two chillers. There is not a
cooling tower. The project building location is very close the
sea and this chillers will be fed by the sea-water condenser
system.<br>
There is a titanium plate type heat exchanger between
sea-water and chiller condenser water. Sea water condenser
flow and return temperatures 22C(71.6F) and 27C(80.6F).
<br>
Chiller condenser water flow and return temperatures
29C(84.2F) and 23C(73.4F). In addition, condenser total water
flow rate is 340 kg/hr at 250 kPa.<br>
How can sea-water condenser system be modeled in eQuest? <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you,<br>
Best Regards<br>
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