<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Yes! Thanks Shaun- even one count of validation makes me feel not so crazy π, especially from an old colleague. Thank you- thank you. Why is there too much room for interpretation on these things? I accept that the User Manual is helpful in most scenarios- but this is one instance that just seems backwards. If it is supposed to airflow reset controls, then why is the section written with "Supply Air Temperature Reset"?</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">I appreciate your validation of my interpretation.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br>Pasha<div>Ph: 308-763-1593</div></div><div><br>On Apr 20, 2017, at 8:29 AM, Shaun Martin <<a href="mailto:smartin@shaunmartinconsulting.com">smartin@shaunmartinconsulting.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I think the Standard is quite clear about resetting temperature, and says nothing about modulating airflow. The user manual seems to be wrong.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Shaun Martin LEED-AP, BEMP</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Principal</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Shaun Martin Consulting</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">#90 β 425 Carrall Street</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Vancouver, BC V6B 6E3</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">p. 604-789-1095</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></a></p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"></span><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Equest-users [<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>PKConsulting via Equest-users<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 20, 2017 7:12 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jones, Christopher <<a href="mailto:Christopher.r.Jones@wspgroup.com">Christopher.r.Jones@wspgroup.com</a>><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Supply Air Temp Reset Interpretation Please...?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for the feedback- so if the justification for the approach is solely based on the user manual explanation- I can accept that. I'll cross reference it for the 2007 user manual to put it in my notes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I've always used air-flow first as a standard reset for all my design energy models, What is counter-intuitive here is that the title of the Appendix G section specifically states 'reset-temp', so why should we not take the section text literally? I've always humbly assumed that the ASHRAE standard writers know more than me. After all these years of creating Baseline conforming models (or so I thought), this makes me feel lost all over again. AND is it not possible to apply code standard requirements without the use of the User Manual? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Thankful- but-frustrated,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Pasha<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Ph: 308-763-1593<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Apr 20, 2017, at 6:48 AM, Jones, Christopher <<a href="mailto:Christopher.r.Jones@wspgroup.com">Christopher.r.Jones@wspgroup.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I had always assumed temperature first but reading the PNNL 90.1-2010 Performance Rating Method Reference Manual, 3.121 (pdf page 151), it states βFor systems 5 through 8, the air temperature for cooling shall be reset higher by 5Β°F under the minimum cooling load conditions using a reset by warmest zone, airflow first strategy.β</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The manual states that the airflow first strategy minimizes zone reheat coil energy ( or overcooling) and central chiller energy consumption at the cost of possible increased fan energy. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Unfortunately, the reviewer may have a case. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-CA"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><image001.jpg></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:6.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:FR"> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:FR">Christopher R. 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I disagree with what they are saying. I appreciate your feedback please and verification if in fact I am wrong in how I am interpreting Section G3.1.3.12.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">"We believe TEMP-FIRST supply air reset control strategy is not the correct interpretation of G3.1.3.12 β rather, AIRFLOW-FIRST should be used."<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Pasha<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></body></html>