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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It would be nice quality-of-life feature to someday add a “framing + insulation” calculator to the detailed interface, but in the interim it’s not too bad to look up:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">With 90.1-2007 open/at-hand:
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Table A9.2B details effective R-values for a layer of steel studs + batt layer, for a variety of spacing & framing dimensions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">For wood framing, a parallel path calc can reference:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">R-1.25/in for two-by wood framing (See Table A9.4D if you are uncertain of actual lumber depth dimensions), and
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Table A9.4C to look up effective batt insulation when compressed into wood stud cavities for various dimensions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I would expect these to line up very closely with the insulation+ framing layer the wizards generate. Opening a second instance of eQUEST to leverage the wizard dropdowns
is an option I suppose, though I’m not sure if it will save you much time relative to tabbing a copy of 90.1.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3A7A46">Nick Caton, P.E., BEMP</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#3A7A46"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> John Aulbach [mailto:jra_sac@yahoo.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 02, 2017 10:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nicholas Caton <Nicholas.Caton@schneider-electric.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'equest-users' <equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: RE: [Equest-users] Fw: Composite wall of frame and cavity insulation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Hi Nick:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">You just keep doing what you are doing. You do this forum a great service.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Back before you were born, I recall a California Energy Commission manual that gave equivalent U-Values for framing plus insulation - whole tables, and am currently trying
to find them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">When you input a frame (wood or metal) with a certain batt insulation R-value, the resulting code in the .INP file (or in the Detail Edit wall composition), it comes out like
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">But it MEANS something !! Change the framing and its spacing at the R value and the code changes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">THAT is the coding i am seeking.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">John<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">On Friday, March 31, 2017, 6:25:37 AM PDT, Nicholas Caton <<a href="mailto:Nicholas.Caton@schneider-electric.com">Nicholas.Caton@schneider-electric.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv9067189083msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I’ll keep working on getting myself older and learned… I’m at least accomplishing one of those things day by day!</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="yiv9067189083msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="yiv9067189083msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Are you looking specifically for framing + insulation layer properties for a MATERIAL? I’m not aware if those exist in any current eQUEST library as distributed,
but you can look up various combinations for wood/steel framing in 90.1 Appendix A (two separate tables).</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv9067189083msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">There are some (though not a ton) of library LAYERS describing different interior/exterior constructions with attributed ASHRAE codes, but I’m not very clear on
what list of constructions these labels are supposed to reference. Presumably something in Fundamentals of a specific year/vintage, I would guess.</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv9067189083msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Regards,</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv9067189083msonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">~Nick</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv9067189083msonormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Nick Caton, P.E., BEMP</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv9067189083msonormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt"> Senior Energy Engineer<br>
Regional Energy Engineering Manager</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="yiv9067189083msonormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt"> Energy and Sustainability Services<br>
Schneider Electric</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="yiv9067189083msonormal"><span style="font-size:8.0pt">D 913.564.6361 <br>
M 785.410.3317 <br>
F 913.564.6380<br>
E </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="mailto:nicholas.caton@schneider-electric.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:8.0pt">nicholas.caton@schneider-electric.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Lenexa, KS 66219<br>
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<p class="yiv9067189083msonormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> Equest-users [<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Aulbach via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 31, 2017 11:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Equest-users <<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Fw: Composite wall of frame and cavity insulation</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv9067189083msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Cant seem to get this message through. Will try again.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv9067189083msonormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> John Aulbach <<a href="mailto:jra_sac@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jra_sac@yahoo.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv9067189083msonormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> Friday, March 31, 2017, 2:29:30 AM PDT<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv9067189083msonormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> Composite wall of frame and cavity insulation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv9067189083msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">This is probably something for older learned types (or Nick Caton).</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv9067189083msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I seem to remember somewhere in the cobwebs of DOE-2 having a particular steel (or wood) framing size and spacing and having different insulating R-values added
in the air space between A wall section code fell out, thus being able to be put into a DETAIL Edit construction.</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv9067189083msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Is the answer to make a dummy Wizard run, create the steel frame spacing, add the insulation, then go to the tree diagram and determine the wall "code" it invented.</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv9067189083msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">This stuff doesn't appear to exist in the wall library.</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv9067189083msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Thanks</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="yiv9067189083msonormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">John</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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