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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Mike,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">We see similar results for wall insulation in climates colder than Seattle, unless the internal loads are insignificant like in a warehouse.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">You are accounting for the thermal bridging of the studs, aren’t you? There are tables in Appendix A of ASHRAE 90.1 that give assembly U-factors for various framed assemblies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="line-height:110%"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;line-height:110%;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">608.210.7123 seventhwave.org<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 09, 2017 2:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael Campbell <mcamp1206@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Wall insulation in multifamily buildings<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Don’t know where your building is located, but on the Seattle area multifamily projects we routinely model, envelope has very little impact on building energy
use. DHW and ventilation seem to be the items we have the most influence over that really can change the energy consumption.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">FWIW, many of us in the Seattle market are starting to believe the standard plug/misc load assumptions from the Energy Star MF High Rise Sim Guidelines (if you
are using them) overestimate that energy use, and result in more “free heat” in the building and thus less sensitivity to envelope changes (among other implications).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Equest-users [<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Campbell via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 09, 2017 3:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users <<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Wall insulation in multifamily buildings<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I've been working on a model for a multifamily building, 5 stories, approximately 300,000 square feet. I've been running a few iterations of the model to see how changes to the wall assembly affect the model
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What I've found is that changes in the wall assembly seem to have a minimal impact on the model results. I just did a comparison where I took an assembly with R-19 cavity insulation and 2" rigid insulation and compared that to the same assembly but without
the rigid insulation. This was applied to the entire building. What I found was only a 0.4% increase in total energy cost after taking out the rigid insulation. I'm wondering if others have found similar results in multifamily buildings?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Any input is appreciated.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mike Campbell<o:p></o:p></p>
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