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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Tom,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">There are two ways you could go about this:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#1F497D">You can use a combination of AHU systems, with one pulling outside air from the other. You would create a new System, serving a dummy zone (any zone, you can make a space without walls and just a floor).
This will be your CHW system and you can hard-size the unit to move an explicit amount of fresh air, essentially capturing this energy-cost to dehumidify ventilation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="color:#1F497D">The other system your DX AHU, will pull outside air from the first system. In eQuest, any system that pulls air from another needs to be created after the outside air system is created. So in the navigational
tree, the outside CHW AHU needs to be the first on the list essentially.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="color:#1F497D">When you specify the DX AHU to “outside air from ___ system” I believe it supplys the second AHU with the equivalent of room air from the dummy zone. So if your thermostat was 75, your AHU DX system would
be seeing 75. In reality, the CHW dehumidification process likely is providing colder air at a benefit to a cooling process, yet this detail likely cannot be captured in eQuest.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span style="color:#1F497D">The DX AHU will need to same ventilation fraction or fixed amount and this will be the portion of air taken from the primary system. This is not a perfect solution so I anticipate you will hit some bumps
along the way. The outside air from feature does some strange things. Sometimes you may need to size coils for instance, which actually you may know their size.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="color:#1F497D"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="color:#1F497D">There is a water-side economizing coil that can be put in upstream of a primary cooling object (in this case, your DX is your primary cooling object). The coil can only be directly attached to a cooling
tower loop. This might be problematic since it would not capture as much thermal load if the eQuest condenser water was not cold enough year round. This would just be a way to capture some cooling that is occurring prior to the DX coil. Any BTU this coil provides
would need to be added up and some post processing of a COP applied. The more I think about this, the less I like it actually. But, it is a feature in eQuest.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Equest-users [mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tom Mickley via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users@onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Packaged RTU w/ Precool Chiller<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good morning,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m molding an existing outpatient facility and I’ve ran into an issue.
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<p class="MsoNormal">One of the HVAC units is a packaged DX unit supplying a few surgical rooms. The HVAC was designed around a class A or less operating room way back at the time of the original install. They’ve since changed to class C operating rooms which
have more strict airflow requirements. The building owners decided to modify the existing system rather than replace with new.
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<p class="MsoNormal">That being said, the unit is still a DX cooled unit with in-duct steam humidification and HW reheat at the zone level. There is electric backup heat in the unit if the boilers fail.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here’s the issue….<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The surgeons requested the rooms maintain 60 degrees all year round. The existing unit couldn’t maintain temperature. Therefore, there has been an air cooled packaged chiller added with a chilled water coil attached to the outdoor air
intake to cool and dehumidify the outdoor air before entering the unit. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I cannot find a way to model DX and chilled water at the same time. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks in advance!<o:p></o:p></p>
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