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    <p>I think this is a case of DOE-2 still using an older procedure
      for the solar portion of the design day calculation.  Prior to
      2006, ASHRAE used a relatively crude ASHRAE Clear Sky Model to
      determine the hourly profile of solar radiation for the design
      day.  That model assumes there are different sky conditions for
      different latitudes, etc.  In 2006, ASHRAE TC 4.2 (Climatic
      Information) carried out a project to develop an entirely new
      ASHRAE Clear Sky Model that's a parameterization of a detailed
      solar model developed by Chris Gueymard. <br>
    </p>
    <p>It would be nice if DOE-2 incorporates the new ASHRAE Clear Sky
      Model, which isn't terribly hard, but would take work. Besides,
      I'm under the impression that the vast majority of DOE-2 users
      don't do design day calculations but rather let the program
      autosize the equipment anyway!</p>
    <p>Joe<br>
    </p>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="90">Joe Huang
White Box Technologies, Inc.
346 Rheem Blvd., Suite 205A
Moraga CA 94556
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com">yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com</a>
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(o) (925)388-0265
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/29/2016 9:43 AM, Nicholas Caton
      via Equest-users wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">I have a question concerning doe2/eQUEST
          DESIGN-DAYs.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">One of the keywords for DESIGN-DAY confuses
          me:  CLIMATE.  I have not been able to find this documented in
          the current doe2 reference manual or 2.1A engineering
          manuals. 
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">It appears the CLIMATE keyword can accept
          one of three inputs:  “SUBARCTIC,” “MIDLATITUDE,” or
          “TROPICAL.”  The default is MIDLATITUDE and does not appear to
          reference anything else.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><img style="width:5.9062in;height:4.8229in"
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            height="463" width="567"><o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">So I have a few questions:<o:p></o:p></p>
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          style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
            style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt
              "Times New Roman"">      
            </span></span><!--[endif]-->What is this input used for? 
          Does it help to determine solar angles during design day
          calculations?  Does it affect how other DESIGN-DAY inputs are
          interpreted?<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
            style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt
              "Times New Roman"">      
            </span></span><!--[endif]-->Since one of the options is
          named “MIDLATITUDE,” my best guess is this is trying to
          establish in a loose sense which slice of the globe the
          weather station is located at for solar angle purposes.  From
          that guess,
          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://www.lat34north.com/cities/CitiesLatitude.cfm">I
            googled the topic for a bit</a> and came up with this
          framework:<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
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          <!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">a.<span
              style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">      
            </span></span><!--[endif]-->SUBARCTIC latitudes are >
          66.5 or < -66.5  (Inside the Arctic circles – experiences
          days of complete daylight/darkness)<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2
          lfo2">
          <!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">b.<span
              style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">      
            </span></span><!--[endif]-->TROPICAL is between -23.5 and
          23.5 (Tropic of Capricorn/Cancer – experiences the sun
          traversing directly overhead)<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2
          lfo2">
          <!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">c.<span
              style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">      
            </span></span><!--[endif]-->MIDLATITUDE = everywhere else<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
            style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style="font:7.0pt
              "Times New Roman"">      
            </span></span><!--[endif]-->I struggle however with the
          concept of a DESIGN-DAY input based on latitude, where<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2
          lfo2">
          <!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">a.<span
              style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">      
            </span></span><!--[endif]-->The latitude is already a part
          of the weather file required for every simulation… and pulling
          the exact latitude would be more accurate anyway (I confess
          here I have never studied solar pathing in great depth – the
          problem may be simpler than I realize?).<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2
          lfo2">
          <!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">b.<span
              style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">      
            </span></span><!--[endif]-->These bands alone don’t give you
          enough information to know when you’re in the lower hemisphere
          (where solar angles based on the day/month would be flipped)<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2
          lfo2">
          <!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">c.<span
              style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">      
            </span></span><!--[endif]-->This leads me to question
          whether there’s a (meaningful) difference in solar angles
          experienced for loads calculations when you use the weather
          file instead of DESIGN-DAY inputs. 
          <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
          style="margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2
          lfo2">
          <!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="mso-list:Ignore">d.<span
              style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">      
            </span></span><!--[endif]-->Alternatively, maybe the
          latitude IS pulled from the weather file for solar angle
          purposes so I’m completely on the wrong path as to the
          purpose/intent for the CLIMATE input.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Can anyone set me straight on this topic?<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">~Nick<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
              style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#3A7A46">Nick
              Caton, P.E., BEMP</span></b><span style="color:#3A7A46"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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