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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks Nick – I was also hoping for a simple solution that would allow me to use one demand rate, but the catch is that the “peak” rates occur at night, so a typical commercial building is going to at least have
to account for the delta between intermediate (weekdays in the day) and peak. I will be doing post-processing, which as you say should be fairly manageable/repeatable using the hourly CSV.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Nick Caton [mailto:Nicholas.Caton@schneider-electric.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 02, 2016 2:20 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Coles Jennings<br>
<b>Cc:</b> equest-users<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Demand Rate Modeling in Mexico<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Coles – that is a tricky one!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It’s been awhile since I’ve revisited the capabilities of the DD wizards for handling complex rate structures, and I’m pleasantly surprised to find some improvements in the native capabilities. (screengrabs follow). That is in fact a
pretty wacky structure from my personal experience, but while it appears you can define/map up to 5 billing periods per day and then assign those to specific week days / holidays, I don’t think you can do monthly maximum checks between each period to accurately
determine billable demand within the eQUEST interface – some degree of post-processing seems unavoidable to me.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><img border="0" width="436" height="391" id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.png@01D21D5B.CF3126A0"><img border="0" width="713" height="274" id="Picture_x0020_4" src="cid:image002.png@01D21D5B.CF3126A0"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">2 major thoughts:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>If it were me, I’d still keep an eye/ear out for a more promising contribution/reply, but in the meantime I’d just push forward with post processing your hourly outputs with excel to determine costs. If you’ve done this before, this
oddball formula doesn’t pose a terribly difficult challenge to implement (all the needed hourly outputs & month/day/hour flags are conveniently packaged in the default “… - Hourly Results.csv” reporting block borne from wizard-generated projects). Since I’ve
moved into the performance contracting world (and had to puzzle with with getting complex rate tariffs *right* on the regular) – I’ve come to embrace, even enjoy, the absolute flexibility that comes with determining costs outside of the eQUEST, even with the
relative pains that come with needing to use a separate process to figure out where the dollars/cents lie during development.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>On close inspection of that formula I notice something interesting… for each month:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:red">if(</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas">The peak peak demand > the peak interim demand<span style="color:red">) .AND. (</span>peak
interim demand > peak base demand<span style="color:red">))</span><span style="color:#767171"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#767171">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:red">then </span>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas">the billable demand is simply the monthly peak (i.e. the rest of the formula zeroes itself out)!<span style="color:#767171"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#767171">
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:red">else </span>
<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas">see major thought #1 above – it was worth a check =(<span style="color:#767171"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:red">endif<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">You might set up a couple checks for this at the top of whatever spreadsheet you use to number-crunch the hourly results. If the above checks both turn out to be true for each month, you can simply use the eQuest’s native monthly peaks/costs
as reported as the billable demand, using a very simple single-TOU demand rate structure.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best of luck – I hope you’ll consider sharing whatever approach you land on (and everyone else dealing with Mexico)! If there’s a trick to be learned to handle this within eQUEST or commandline doe2, I’m certainly all ears!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">~Nick<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#3A7A46">Nick Caton, P.E.</span></b><span style="color:#3A7A46"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Equest-users [<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Coles Jennings via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Demand Rate Modeling in Mexico<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I am trying to accurately model a tricky demand structure for a project in Mexico. The utility uses a complex way to bill demand (see item 7 in link here:
<a href="http://app.cfe.gob.mx/Aplicaciones/CCFE/Tarifas/Tarifas/tarifas_negocio.asp?Tarifa=HM">
http://app.cfe.gob.mx/Aplicaciones/CCFE/Tarifas/Tarifas/tarifas_negocio.asp?Tarifa=HM</a>). Here’s a snip of the translated text:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><img border="0" width="809" height="429" id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image005.png@01D21D5B.CF3126A0"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">(In the table above, the middle column is FRI and the right column is FRB)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In summary, the day is broken into three periods (peak, intermediate, and base). Demand charges are in three parts, summed together for the total charge for the month:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>They charge for the max kW within the peak period<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>For the intermediate period, you are charged for the difference between the peak period demand and the intermediate period demand, times a reduction factor of 30%.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span><![endif]>For the base period, you are charged for the demand of the base period less the max demand of the peak and intermediate periods, times a reduction factor of 15%.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I’m sure I’m not the first to stare at this rate structure and scratch my head as to how to model in eQUEST, since it applies nationally in Mexico. Has anyone had luck modeling a demand rate like this? I’m able to model time-of-day demand,
but am struggling for a way to subtract the demands from each other to get accurate values for intermediate and base period charges.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Post-processing in Excel is always an option, but not desired.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
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