<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472826573931_8435"><span>Too many tag emails !!</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472826573931_8430"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472826573931_8432"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472826573931_8431">Nick, remember, this is only the two side walls to remain. Everything else is to be gutted and replaced. So the Base is two side mass walls, and front/back are steel frame ?? Never build a building this way !!</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472826573931_8432"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1472826573931_8432"><span>John</span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Friday, September 2, 2016 7:20 AM, "Etherington, Dana" <detherington@RDKEngineers.com> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv8403078121">
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<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Hi Folks,</span></div>
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<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Just a heads up that this language is removed from 90.1 – 2013. We’ll still be able to get the point bumps on LEED v4 projects since the baseline is 90.1 – 2010,
but it will impact new code adoption in certain states. There are also key changes to the window to wall ratio baseline requirements and baseline building rotation. We’ve been prepping for the imminent code changes in MA and have had to deal with these things….</span></div>
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<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Good luck with that project John!</span></div>
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<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">-Dana</span></div>
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<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Dana Etherington | PE, CEM, BEMP, WELL AP</span></div>
<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.0pt;color:#1F497D;">RDK Engineers</span></b></div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 02, 2016 9:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> CBaker@cci-alliance.com; jra_sac@yahoo.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Outside wall to outside wall</span></div>
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<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Confirming – that language remains in 90.1-2010. I’ve had similar experiences with old concrete & masonry buildings (zero insulation), where that’s turned out
to be a boon for the likes of LEED points.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Also since it sounds like you’re dancing with compliance, be advised for any prescriptive purposes those concrete walls are most likely a
<i><u>mass wall</u></i> by 90.1 definitions.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Sounds like a fun one alright!</span></div>
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<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#3A7A46;">Nick Caton, P.E.</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#3A7A46;"></span></div>
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<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Equest-users [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris Baker via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 01, 2016 7:01 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Outside wall to outside wall</span></div>
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<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">John,</span></div>
<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span></div>
<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">It would be worth checking in the tables in Appendix G – however, there used to be the following wording at the bottom of the baseline
performance column… </span></div>
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<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">Existing Buildings. For existing
<i>building envelopes, </i>the <i>baseline building</i></span></div>
<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal" style=""><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">design
</span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">shall reflect existing conditions prior to any revisions that are part of</span></div>
<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">the scope of work being evaluated.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">This one is from ASHRAE 90.1 (2007) and I’m not sure if it is in the 2010 version but it would be worth a look.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Though modeling 1855 concrete side walls would be a different issue, entirely! LOL.</span></div>
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<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Good luck, sir!</span></div>
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<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Chris Baker</span></div>
<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">CCI Alliance of Companies</span></div>
<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Fort Wainwright, AK</span></div>
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<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Equest-users [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Aulbach via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 01, 2016 3:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:Nicholas.Caton@schneider-electric.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:Nicholas.Caton@schneider-electric.com">Nicholas.Caton@schneider-electric.com</a>;
<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nathanm@rushingco.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:nathanm@rushingco.com">nathanm@rushingco.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
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<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">Thanks, Nick. I have an even more interesting scenario. This building was built originally in 1855 (yes, even before me and 19 years after the Battle of
the Alamo)). The owners will leave the concrete 1855 side walls (I think I will let them be totally shaded outside walls), gut the rest of the building, and rebuild a 5 story single residence (no, not one of the Trump kids).</span></div>
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<div class="yiv8403078121MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="color:black;">SO..for the City of New York 2011 Energy Code (2014 doesn't take place until October, 2016), we use ASHRAE 90.1-2010. Good old Appendix G (as I interpret
it) say that, for either New or Alterations, the Base model is Steel Frame. <b>ALL of it.</b> So I don't apply the 1855 walls (with some added insulation) until the Proposed Run (Thank GOD I don't have to spin the building like LEED).</span></div>
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leave my outbox</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;">…</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;"> sorry!</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;">
Give me time to refine my response:</span><span style="font-family:Helvetica;color:black;"></span></div>
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like to find & assert both neighbors are conditioned to similar temperatures and therefore declare no substantive heat transfer:</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;">
adiabatic surfaces with thermal mass to effect hourly heat storage/transfer lag.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;"> This is probably accurate
enough (in-aggregate) for many cases, short of exposed walls where one building is taller than another.</span><span style="font-family:Helvetica;color:black;"></span></div>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;">–</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;"> Nathan</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;">’</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;">s
suggestion is the ticket however.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;"> If there</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;">’</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;">s
going to be appreciable heat transfer,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;"> you</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;">’</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;">re
now in a position to decide where to draw a line in the sand:</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;"> what</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;">’</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;">s
your worst-case?</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;"> This may be the more appropriate response if you</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;">’</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;">re
doing simulation to aid/inform equipment sizing or if you know of planned demolition/renovations in the neighboring spaces.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;">
I can say short of FEMA shelters and the like (this is tornado country</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;">…</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;">), I don</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;">’</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;">t
normally make the destruction of an attached portion of my buildings a part of my design calculations or energy simulations, but you might have some good reasons to pull that possibility into the picture.</span><span style="font-family:Helvetica;color:black;"></span></div>
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I want to say there was a mailing list discussion on this exact issue in relation to NY</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;">’</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;">s energy standards
some time back either in equest-users or bldg-sim</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;">…</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;"> but on cursory searching I</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;">’</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;">m
having trouble finding it</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;">…</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;"> suggest digging the archives further!</span><span style="font-family:Helvetica;color:black;"></span></div>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Aulbach via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 01, 2016 4:09 PM<br>
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probably assume the walls are exterior and fully shaded. There is a pretty good chance there is at least small dead-air-space between the buildings (even if it is only a few inches), plus you have no control over what is happening on the other side of the
wall</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black;">…</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Helvetica;color:black;"> maybe the neighboring building is minimally conditioned, or becomes abandoned.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Aulbach via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 31, 2016 5:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> via Equest-users <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>
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