<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:verdana, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470065590915_6744"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470065590915_6743">I believe the lower U-value includes the frame. The original number is only center-of-glass.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470065590915_6745"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1470065590915_6746"><span>John R. Aulbach, PE</span></div> <div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"><font size="2" face="Arial"> On Monday, August 1, 2016 8:07 AM, via Equest-users <equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org> wrote:<br></font></div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv1093014853"><style><!--
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--></style><div><div class="yiv1093014853WordSection1"><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal">Hello Sefa,</div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal">This is a timely question – I needed this as a reminder for a couple active projects!</div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal">Anytime the SIM reports are unintuitive/confusing – be sure you’re aware of the following resource: <u>Help > Tutorials and Reference > Detailed Simulation Reports Summary</u></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><img width="565" height="261" id="yiv1093014853_x0000_i1030" src="cid:hV4dy7XqoS9LvhQYkpIf"></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal">Here, there are a number of clarifying notes concerning report LV-D specifically. To your case, if all frame widths are set to zero, then the difference between inputs and these outputs will be the OA film coefficient for a 7.5 mph (summer) windspeed:</div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><img width="767" height="446" id="yiv1093014853Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:7PdDGyogzWKUi0Iqi9jF"></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal">See the table located here in the DOE-2 help files for further information/documentation: <u>Volume 2: Dictionary > Envelope Components > GLASS-TYPE > GLASS-CONDUCTANCE (Table 11)</u></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><img width="723" height="476" id="yiv1093014853_x0000_i1028" src="cid:VCS152RjVISLnZHziv1S"></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal">In summary, <b>do not equate the GLASS-CONDUCTANCE input with the assembly U-value</b>, when using simplified glass type inputs. </div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal">If you want to effect U-0.9 for the entire assembly, enter 1.23 for glass conductance in simplified window properties inputs. LV-D should then report 0.9 as the assembly U-value.</div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal">At one point – I performed a curve-fit to find the coefficients to interpolate the above-cited table and shared with the list – see the email thread and image copied below. Until assembly U-value becomes an input option for Simplified glass type inputs <i>(feature-request, developers!)</i>, you could also calculate/automate GLASS-CONDUCTANCE with the following expression, referencing a global parameter:</div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;"><span style="font-family:Consolas;background:yellow;">0.2535*#PA("ASSEMBLY-UVALUE")**3+0.101*#PA("ASSEMBLY-UVALUE")**2+1.0852*#PA("ASSEMBLY-UVALUE")-0.0117</span><span style="font-family:Consolas;"></span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal">~Nick</div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";color:#3A7A46;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";color:#3A7A46;"><img width="722" height="9" id="yiv1093014853_x0000_i1027" src="cid:oRLK1379UPZ6O9M1fZlD"></span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span 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class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal" align="right" style="text-align:right;"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";color:#626469;">15200 Santa Fe Trail Drive<br>Suite 204<br>Lenexa, KS 66219<br>United States</span><span style="color:#1F497D;"></span></div></td></tr><tr style="min-height:4.0pt;"><td width="724" colspan="3" valign="top" style="width:543.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;min-height:4.0pt;"><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal" style=""><span style="color:#3A7A46;"><img border="0" width="722" height="49" id="yiv1093014853Picture_x0020_3" src="cid:lETJQzvs1cYxU1Vk6uIo" alt="cid:image001.png@01D189AB.58634A10"></span><span style="color:#3A7A46;"></span></div></td></tr></tbody></table><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>From: Equest-users [mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Sefa Sahin via Equest-users<br>Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 8:47 AM<br>To: equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>Subject: [Equest-users] Window U Value</div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoPlainText">Dear All,</div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoPlainText">I am trying to model window with 0.9 U-value. When I use 0.9 U value on model, LV-D reports shows 0.709 U value (frame with = 0 ). What is the reason it ? Please find attached files.</div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoPlainText">Thanks for all replies,</div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoPlainText"> </div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoPlainText">Sefa Sahin</div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";"> Nicholas Caton [mailto:ncaton@catonenergy.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 23, 2014 3:43 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jones, Christopher; Omar ElRawy; equest<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Exterior Air Film - glazing</span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">Chris:</span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">After backtracking to the old glossary… I’ve learned something today! You are absolutely right, and thank you for pressing the point!</span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">I had the mistaken impression the U-values prescribed by 90.1 were exclusive of air films, analogous to GLASS-CONDUCTANCE. The LV-D reports, inclusive of the exterior air film (assuming a 7.5mph wind), actually ought match the prescribed gross assembly U-factor. I’ll be updating some of my personal resources!</span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">For anyone else interested, here shared are coefficients for a curve matching the DOE2 reference for converting between the two:</span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><img border="0" width="896" height="354" id="yiv1093014853Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:xD280jjPBqhaa6GXfKLt" alt="cid:image001.png@01D01EB5.D9D05F50"><span style="color:#1F497D;"></span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">Omar, I’ll leave it to you to decide how to proceed. I have (successfully enough) addressed the exact same commentary multiple times by simply illustrating my inputs matched the prescribed values. My heart was in the right place, but I (and perhaps my reviewers) did not realize the disconnect with the output reports was not simply a matter of an erroneous inclusion of air films. I will be changing my ways moving forward, personally!</span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">Kind regards, and happy holidays to everyone on the list!</span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">~Nick</span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D;">NICK CATON, P.E.</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"><br></span><b><span style="color:#561782;">Owner</span></b></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#561782;"> </span></b></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#561782;">Caton Energy Consulting</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;"><br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> 1150 N. 192<sup>nd</sup> St., #4-202</span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> Shoreline, WA 98133<br> office: 785.410.3317</span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#561782;"><a rel="nofollow" href=""><span style="color:#561782;">www.catonenergy.com</span></a></span><span style="color:#561782;"></span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Jones, Christopher [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:cjones@halsall.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:cjones@halsall.com">mailto:cjones@halsall.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 23, 2014 5:33 AM<br><b>To:</b> Nicholas Caton; Omar ElRawy; equest<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Exterior Air Film - glazing</div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", "serif";"> </span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book";color:#1F497D;">Nick,</span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book";color:#1F497D;">Would you not agree that one should define the glazing Conductance in the eQuest input, not the glazing U-value? That way the .sim file reported glazing U-value is closer to what is expected? </span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#1C467A;">Christopher Jones</span></b><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1C467A;">,</span></b><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D;">P.Eng.</span><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> <br></span></i><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Tel: 416.644.4226 • Toll Free: 1.888.425.7255 x 527</span><span style="color:#1F497D;"></span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";"> Nicholas Caton [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ncaton@catonenergy.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ncaton@catonenergy.com">mailto:ncaton@catonenergy.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 22, 2014 4:46 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jones, Christopher; Omar ElRawy; equest<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Exterior Air Film</span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman", "serif";"> </span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">The LV-D reports (and others touching on windows/constructions) do indeed include an exterior air film. I don’t know of a way to change that.</span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">A quick screengrab of your (correct) inputs and a one-line explanation of that fact is probably your most expedient path forward for a LEED review response.</span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;">~Nick</span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;color:#1F497D;">NICK CATON, P.E.</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana", "sans-serif";color:#1F497D;"><br></span><b><span style="color:#561782;">Owner</span></b></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#561782;"> </span></b></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#561782;">Caton Energy Consulting</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black;"><br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> 1150 N. 192<sup>nd</sup> St., #4-202</span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> Shoreline, WA 98133<br> office: 785.410.3317</span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#561782;"><a rel="nofollow" href=""><span style="color:#561782;">www.catonenergy.com</span></a></span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Equest-users [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jones, Christopher<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 22, 2014 8:23 AM<br><b>To:</b> Omar ElRawy; equest<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Exterior Air Film</div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book";color:#1F497D;">For glazing, you have to enter the GLASS-CONDUCTANCE into eQuest, not the glazing U-value. See page 65 in the DOE22Vol2-Dictionary reference manual available for download at <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://doe2.com/">doe2.com</a>.</span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#1C467A;">Christopher Jones</span></b><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1C467A;">,</span></b><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> </span></b><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D;">P.Eng.</span><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D;"> <br></span></i><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D;">Tel: 416.644.4226 • Toll Free: 1.888.425.7255 x 527</span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Franklin Gothic Book";color:#1F497D;"> </span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif";"> Equest-users [<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Omar ElRawy<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, December 22, 2014 7:28 AM<br><b>To:</b> equest<br><b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Exterior Air Film</span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";color:black;">Dear all,</span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";color:black;"> I have a problem reporting baseline case for LEED submission, where the exterior walls and windows U-values in Report LV-D appears less than the ASHRAE G 90.1 values that I did enter to the model, and this is (as I think) because eQuest adds the exterior air-film effect to the assembly during the run. </span></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";color:black;">My question is that; can I disable this eQuest calculation to see my input directly in LV-D report or not?<br id="yiv1093014853FontBreak"></span><br>Thanks,</div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";">Omar ElRawy</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";">, <b>LEED AP BD+C<br></b>LEED Project Manager<br><span style="background:white;">EA Sustainable Building Consultants<br></span></span><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.ea-buildingconsultants.com/"><span style="font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif";">http://www.ea-buildingconsultants.com/</span></a></div><div class="yiv1093014853MsoNormal"> </div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>Equest-users mailing list<br><a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding.org" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding.org</a><br>To unsubscribe from this mailing list send a blank message to <a ymailto="mailto:EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG" href="mailto:EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG">EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG</a><br><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>