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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 28, 2016 1:12 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:mcamp1206@gmail.com" target="_blank">mcamp1206@gmail.com</a>; Nathan Miller <<a href="mailto:nathanm@rushingco.com" target="_blank">nathanm@rushingco.com</a>><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Curtain wall system - how to model baseline?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Spandrel (opaque) sections of curtainwall are “walls” in both proposed and baseline cases as far as 90.1 terminology is concerned.  Consider them as such for
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">In my past year of experience, similar to Nathan, I’ve dealt with many “fishbowl” buildings which appear all (or mostly) glass from the outside but typically
 have at least few feet of insulated envelope on the interior perimeter, so in that case it’s literally a wall construction with the outermost layer being glazing (or airspace then glass).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Be sure to dig up any relevant envelope sections/details to carefully draw the line between “opaque” and “not opaque.”<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Campbell via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 28, 2016 11:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nathan Miller<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Curtain wall system - how to model baseline?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for the response Nathan.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There will be some spandrel glass, but I'm not sure how much.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But basically the spandrel portion would be considered a wall in the baseline.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Only the transparent window assemblies would be considered in the WWR.  Is that correct?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Nathan Miller <<a href="mailto:nathanm@rushingco.com" target="_blank">nathanm@rushingco.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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 expect you’d have about a 1’ high slab-edge-bypass opaque section. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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 and gets modeled as a wall with calculated U-factor depending on the spandrel + inboard insulation configuration.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Campbell via Equest-users<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 28, 2016 11:51 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Curtain wall system - how to model baseline?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have a potential project in which the client is proposing a curtain wall system.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The model will be based on ASHRAE 90.1-2013 Appendix G.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I believe the appropriate way to model this would be to have a WWR of 100% (or near 100%) in the proposed case.  For the baseline case, the window area would have to be reduced
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Is this the correct way or is there different guidance for modeling curtain wall systems?<u></u><u></u></p>
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