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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This is totally appropriate as far as 90.1/LEED guidance.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I have in the past also pursued a “simplified” approach wherein I dump all Pfan power onto the supply fan and make the associated return fan “powerless” (very tiny kW/CFM). I’ve been clear in documentation and that approach made it through a few reviews without comment. This might for some baseline systems have some relative effect on baseline auto-sizing capacities considering fan heat loads relative to cooling coils, but in the aggregate I’m not certain this should have any substantial / consistent energy performance impact between projects.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Food for thought ;-),<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span 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align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#626469'>15200 Santa Fe Trail Drive<br>Suite 204<br>Lenexa, KS 66219<br>United States</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:4.0pt'><td width=724 colspan=3 valign=top style='width:543.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 0in;height:4.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-line-height-alt:4.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#3A7A46'><img border=0 width=722 height=49 id="Picture_x0020_3" src="cid:image002.png@01D1DC15.66E5B890" alt="cid:image001.png@01D189AB.58634A10"></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#3A7A46'><o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Bldg-sim [mailto:bldg-sim-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris Jones via Bldg-sim<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 11, 2016 4:15 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jim Dirkes<br><b>Cc:</b> bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] 90.1-2007 App. G baseline fan power question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for your response Jim.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Christopher Jones, P. Eng.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Rowan Williams Davies & Irwin Inc.</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br><i>Consulting Engineers & Scientists</i><br>901 King Street West, Suite 400, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 3H5<br><b>T:</b> (519) 823-1311 ext 2052 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>M:</span></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> (416) 697-0056 <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Jim Dirkes [<a href="mailto:jim@buildingperformanceteam.com">mailto:jim@buildingperformanceteam.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 11, 2016 5:10 PM<br><b>To:</b> Chris Jones<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Bldg-sim] 90.1-2007 App. G baseline fan power question<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#B45F06'>Nothing from GBCI on my projects. My normal practice is to split the power roughly in proportion to pressure rise.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:03 PM, Chris Jones via Bldg-sim <<a href="mailto:bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">bldg-sim@lists.onebuilding.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The App. G baseline is to have return or relief fans if the proposed case does. This would imply that the system fan power should be distributed between the supply and return fans in the baseline case but no direction is given in the Standard nor in the User’s Manual. My inclination would be to distribute the fan power in the baseline case using the same proportions as in the proposed case.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Has anyone had any experience with directions given by the GBCI in this regard?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Christopher Jones, P. 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