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--></style></head><body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060">I would personally stick hard to Detailed edit mode (not returning to the wizards).</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060">Import standard 90.1 baseline constructions for your baseline case, then assign those constructions to only the envelope portions that were renovated. That’s to say, if it’s existing to remain without changes, don’t change it (for LEED). There is some degree of “manual” effort required, but this can be greatly reduced with some rudimentary leveraging of user defaults (and also user default expressions).</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060">Also for LEED – be sure you’re filling in the envelope portion of the section 1.4 tables (spreadsheet from LEED online) while you’re at this – you’ll note they direct you to match proposed case for existing components, and you’ll want to document this while it’s fresh in your mind.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060">I’ve attached a file I’ve shared a few times in the past over the lists – this is one of those “snippets” I’ve updated over time but isn’t yet complete/comprehensive. I haven’t done LEED simulations for zone 8 yet so you’ll note I have some things defined (roofs, walls) which match other climate zone requirements, but not others (exposed floors) – should be a good starting point in any case, and I hope if you use this you’ll consider updating the snippet for the community at large =). If you’re terribly keen to avoid creating anything – I think RMI has a separate 90.1 construction library floating about in the free domain as well.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060">Hope that helps!</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060">~Nick</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060">NICK CATON, P.E.</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><br></span><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#561782">Owner</span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#561782"> </span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#561782">Caton Energy Consulting</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><br></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> 306 N Ferrel</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> Olathe, KS 66061</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> office: 785.410.3317</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#561782"><a href="www.catonenergy.com"><span style="color:#561782">www.catonenergy.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060"></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#002060"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Equest-users [mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Aulbach<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 02, 2014 6:53 PM<br><b>To:</b> Chris Baker; Shaun Martin; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Questions regarding baseline envelope</span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Chris:</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">That is why I stay in the DD Wizard to building the ASHRAE 90.1 model;, so that all of what you speculate is the easier way comes true.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">THEN, I can go to the Detail Edit and put in my lighting watts/sf, any process loads, and outside lights. Done with the BASE model.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">NOW I make a copy of the Base, call it Proposed, then make all the changes to make the Proposed model.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">In THIS way, I have my Base model NAILED. Most important to those LEED reviewers.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">John R. Aulbach, PE</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">On Thursday, October 2, 2014 4:38 PM, Chris Baker <<a href="mailto:CBaker@cci-alliance.com">CBaker@cci-alliance.com</a>> wrote:</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p><div><div id="yiv3683864551"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The model is for LEED approval. </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The proposed building is done, the baseline building is in progress in equest.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">To bring the building into compliance, however, what is the methodology most commonly used for the building envelope in particular when creating the baseline model?</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">For example, do I need to manually change all exterior walls to “steel framed” above grade walls to be in compliance with table 5.5-8? </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Do all of these items need to be “manually” changed to the equivalent on table 5.5-8? Roof & Insulation, Above grade walls & insulation, Floors to steel joist, etc… </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">And if so, it would be faster to go back into the DD wizard for this, correct?</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thanks!</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">-Chris</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> Shaun Martin [<a href="mailto:smartin@shaunmartinconsulting.com">mailto:smartin@shaunmartinconsulting.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 02, 2014 1:45 PM<br><b>To:</b> Chris Baker; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Questions regarding baseline envelope</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Hi Chris,</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Your question doesn’t state why you are doing the models. If you want to show code, or LEED etc, compliance then you use Table 5.5.8. If you need to show energy savings, for a utility program incentive or similar need, then you would use existing conditions.</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Shaun </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> Equest-users [<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris Baker<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 02, 2014 2:04 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Questions regarding baseline envelope</span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="EN-CA" style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">So my proposed building is done. I’m working on my baseline building and a little confused on how to model the baseline building envelope/exterior.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">This project is a renovation in climate zone 8. Most of the interior walls remain.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">All the original roof structures remain , All exterior walls remain. No new exterior walls were constructed.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">All exterior walls received a 5-1/2” EIFS system. All roof structures received 8-1/2” foam system buildup with new 2” klip-rib style metal decking.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">The only thing that didn’t remain on the envelope was the existing decking and all windows and doors got replaced.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">The proposed building is modeled to reflect all this in equest – it is very close.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">The building was a chapel and it will remain a chapel (non-residential/religious worship).</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">So here’s the question…</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">In the baseline model, do I model the pre-existing configuration or do I change all the wall systems completely to match Appendix G, table 5.5-8?</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Table 5.5-8 sais the exterior walls, above grade, should show steel framed.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Also, with regard to the roof, would the baseline roof need to be modeled as it was originally, taking into account the energy usage that the building would have had without the foam buildup we added.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Or would I need to just go off of table 5.5-8 again? – in my case the baseline would be “insulation entirely above deck” from that table.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">OR should I just do parametric runs to tweak the baseline values down to be in compliance??</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">What would be an acceptable practice given the nature of the renovation and that the existing building remained?</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Chris Baker<br>CCI CAD Drafter</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"></span></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:gray">CCI-Alliance Confidentiality notice: This message is intended only for the person to whom addressed in the text above and may contain privileged or confidential information. 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