<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">Hi Chris,<br><br></span></div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">I want to add something.<br></span></div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">One can check the peak demand of any hour for the month with the help of following snapshot:</span><br><br><img style="margin-right:25px" alt="Inline image 1" src="cid:ii_14e31caa56913098" height="219" width="494"><br><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)"><br></span></div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">This is as per the model files sent yesterday on equest-users. It has peak fuel demand of 1.45 X 10 ^ 6 Btuh for the first hour of the month of January (checked from the CSV exported hourly result file).<br></span></div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">Also you can check that this comes from the reports tab in the result view mode.<br></span></div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">Similarly you can check the number of zeros in the peak demand from your present model files as you might have made changes.<br><br></span></div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">The same 1.45 X 10 ^ 6 has been reflected as 1.4 MBTU/HR in PS-E report in yesterday's model.<br></span></div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">So you are right with 5893.5 MBTU= 5.89 X 10 ^ 9 BTU. Here in PS-E report MBTU means million BTU.<br></span></div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">And also the peak end use is nothing but peak demand.I am not that sure what is the difference but the other reports suggests me that.<br><br></span></div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">Thanks,<br></span></div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">Sharad.Kumar <br></span></div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">Green Horizon Consulting LLP<br></span></div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,255)">Gurgaon.<br></span><div><div><div><div><div><div><br><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">From: Chris Baker <<a href="mailto:CBaker@cci-alliance.com" target="_blank">CBaker@cci-alliance.com</a>><br>To: "<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>Cc: <br>Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 01:33:37 +0000<br>Subject: [Equest-users] Question regarding fuel use<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My PS-F reports for fuel use is in Gallons with peak demand in Gallons/Minute.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My PS-E reports for fuel use is in MBTU with peak demand in MBTU/Hr.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The dropdown menus in the LEED online forms don’t give you the option to input fuel capacities in Gallons or MBTU. Hence my confusion.<u></u><u></u></p>
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For LEED online <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">My units of energy = kbtu<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">My units of demand = MBH<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">SO the conversions need to be done as follows for entry to leed online…<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">fuel use: <b>5893.5 MBTU – kbtu</b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The conversion for demand: <b>2.0 MBTU/HR – MBH</b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">At first I thought <b>1 MBTU = 1 million BTU’s ??</b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">But looking at my summary reports I see the MBTU fuel use at 5.8935 on the graph, then it sais:
<b>(x000,000,000)</b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This implies that 1 MBTU = 1 Billion BTU’s but I’m not sure if this is correct?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Plus, my brain hurts.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Chris Baker<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Chris,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">One thing you can check to help make sense of the conversions is the Fuel Meter Properties screen for your liquid fuel.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">It shows the thermal value used in the model. For example, the default for diesel is 138,700 Btu/gallon, as shown in the screen shot below.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Also, compare the PS-E report to BEPS. The quantities should match and you have the additional metric of EUI in KBTU/SQFT-YR based on the conditioned area shown elsewhere in the reports such as on LS-C. This
shows you that MBTU on PS-E and BEPS is MMBTU or million BTU versus KBTU which is thousand BTU.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hope that helps. Have a great weekend!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">~Bill<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Equest-users [mailto:<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
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<p class="MsoNormal">My PS-F reports for fuel use is in Gallons with peak demand in Gallons/Minute.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">My PS-E reports for fuel use is in MBTU with peak demand in MBTU/Hr.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The dropdown menus in the LEED online forms don’t give you the option to input fuel capacities in Gallons or MBTU. Hence my confusion.<u></u><u></u></p>
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For LEED online <u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">My units of energy = kbtu<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">My units of demand = MBH<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">SO the conversions need to be done as follows for entry to leed online…<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">fuel use: <b>5893.5 MBTU – kbtu</b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The conversion for demand: <b>2.0 MBTU/HR – MBH</b><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">At first I thought <b>1 MBTU = 1 million BTU’s ??</b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">But looking at my summary reports I see the MBTU fuel use at 5.8935 on the graph, then it sais:
<b>(x000,000,000)</b><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This implies that 1 MBTU = 1 Billion BTU’s but I’m not sure if this is correct?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Plus, my brain hurts.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Chris Baker <<a href="mailto:CBaker@cci-alliance.com" target="_blank">CBaker@cci-alliance.com</a>><br>To: "Greenberg, Ari" <<a href="mailto:AGreenberg@brplusa.com" target="_blank">AGreenberg@brplusa.com</a>><br>Cc: "<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2015 18:45:31 +0000<br>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] Question regarding fuel use<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thank you Ari and Bill!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I figured MBTU was million BTU. The thing that threw me off was that summary report showing 9 zeros! But that was single digits too which means both translate to 5.8935 billion BTU’s.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Or 5,893.5 MBTU like you say!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">See my attached PSE report for Fuel Meter 1. It sais..<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">MBTU 5893<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">MAX MBTU/HR 2.0<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">MON/DY 1/13<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">PEAK PCT 100<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">So wouldn’t this translate to 2.0 referring to MBTU/HR and not KBTU/HR?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">It just doesn’t show the units of demand on BEPS or PS-E reports (just sais “peak enduse”). But the number (2.0) is the same as max MBTU/HR so I assumed that to be the unit of demand.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I should note that this project is in Alaska so the fuel usage in the baseline is higher than normal. The models go through -40 to -50 temperatures at one point for heating.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">So it definitely puts a big demand on the PSZ systems.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Fortunately, I already had my “fuel meter type” to fuel-oil in both models and my BTU/unit is already good to go also (like Bill showed in his screen capture).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">-Chris<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hi Chris –<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Not sure if anyone responded yet, but I’ll give it a shot:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">MBTU is
<i>million </i>BTU, so 5893.5 MBTU = 5,893.5 million BTU or 5.8935 billion Btu (hence the graph). If LEED requires kBtu = 1,000 Btu, divide MBTU by 1,000.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">The brain-hurting one is that for demand MBH is kBtu/hr, not MBTU/hr (in this case old latin M = 1,000 thing, not M = million) – not quite sure where you got
2.0 MBTU/HR = MBH, it should be 1 MBtu/hr = 1000 MBH.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">By the way, it is possible to choose your own units for your meters in the “Basic Specifications” of the fuel meter window. The energy and demand “label” numbers
correspond to the conversion table in the LV-M report. For example 64 and 65 are KBTU/HR and KBTU, respectively – you would just have to input the correct Btu/unit (in that case 1,000).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:rgb(31,73,125)">Hope this helps,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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