<div dir="ltr"><font color="#0000ff">Hi Mayank,</font><div><font color="#0000ff"><br></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff">Just try to figure this out.</font></div><div><font color="#0000ff">As you would be knowing Q= U* A * delta T</font></div><div><font color="#0000ff">Also this can be tasted as Q= (1/R) * A * delta T</font></div><div><font color="#0000ff">So by considering these two formulas one can get the following results.I have taken some assumptions.</font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><br></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><div style="display:inline-block"></div><img src="cid:ii_14cfefaccabe242d" alt="Inline image 2" width="188" height="137" style="margin-right: 0px;"><br></font></div><div><br></div><div><font color="#0000ff">No the following charts may be obtained</font></div><div><br></div><div><img src="cid:ii_14cff01f8b209a92" alt="Inline image 4" width="301" height="181" style="margin-right: 0px;"><br></div><div><font color="#0000ff">I think that these basic formulas rules simulation soft wares.<br></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff">I have done these kind of analyses and i used to get very straight proportional lines for the charts of energy consumption and U values so ,may be these are the formulas that rules eQUEST also.</font></div><div><font color="#0000ff">Hence Dan can be also right from my point of view.</font></div><div><font color="#0000ff">As of now i am considering these basic formulas and from my experience on two projects energy consumption is directly proportional to U values. For more help you can have a try on other advises given to you in this forum.</font></div><div><br></div><div><font color="#0000ff"><br></font></div><div><font color="#0000ff">Thanks,</font></div><div><font color="#0000ff">Sharad.</font></div><div><font color="#0000ff">Green Horizon Consulting LLP.</font></div><div><font color="#0000ff">Gurgaon</font></div><div><font color="#0000ff">India.</font></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 1:32 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:equest-users-request@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-request@lists.onebuilding.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send Equest-users mailing list submissions to<br>
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<br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Daniel Knapp <<a href="mailto:danielk@arborus.ca">danielk@arborus.ca</a>><br>To: Mayank Bhatnagar <<a href="mailto:mayank.23aug@gmail.com">mayank.23aug@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc: eQUEST Users List <<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 14:12:11 -0400<br>Subject: Re: [Equest-users] [Bldg-sim] Expert advice on Wall Insulation study in eQuest<br><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hi Mayank,<div><br></div><div>I think on further reflection you are seeing exactly what you should be seeing. The energy consumption should go down linearly with the U-value. What does saturate is the energy savings compared to insulation thickness or R-value which is plotted as 1/U. Here is a graph of energy vs. U and energy vs R for your building:</div><div><br></div><div>All the best,</div><div>Dan</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><img height="244" width="663" src="cid:FF724942-9598-4F08-AF6A-4295DDF7020A@arborus.local"></div><div><br><div>—<br>Daniel Knapp, PhD, PPhys, LEED® AP O+M<br><a href="mailto:danielk@arborus.ca" target="_blank">danielk@arborus.ca</a><br><br>Arborus Consulting<br>Energy Strategies for the Built Environment<br><a href="http://www.arborus.ca" target="_blank">www.arborus.ca</a><br>76 Chamberlain Avenue <br>Ottawa, ON, K1S 1V9 <br>Phone: (613) 234-7178 ext. 113<br>Fax: (613) 234-0740<br><br><br><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite">On Apr 27, 2015, at 6:15 AM, Mayank Bhatnagar <<a href="mailto:mayank.23aug@gmail.com" target="_blank">mayank.23aug@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>Thank you Joe and Daniel for your response.<br><br>As you suggested, I checked LS-C report for wall conduction variation w.r.t. U-value. It is also giving linear trend for wall conduction. Additionally, I have done same analysis for without internal loads (occupancy, lighting and equipment load) as Joe indicated about the compounding effect. I still get linear trend between the energy consumption and U-value. <br><br>For your reference, I am attaching inp, pd2 and weather file.<br><br><br><br>On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:10 PM, Joe Huang <<a href="mailto:yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com" target="_blank">yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com</a>> wrote:<br>Mayank, Daniel,<br><br>I think it's a good idea to look at the component loads in the LS-C reports, but I want to add some words of caution.<br>The loads (actually heat flows) shown in those reports are calculated at the constant Reference Temperature, and categorized as either heating or cooling if the total load of the building that hour is negative or positive. These loads are corrected when DOE-2 solves for the actual room temperature based on simple UA-deltaT principles. If you want the corrected wall loads, you need to get an hourly report of the wall loads and then correct for the temperature difference Troom - Treference.<br><br>I'm not sure if this level of detail is warranted, though. I also suspect there's some other compounding effect that's giving you the results that you report.<br><br>Joe<br><br>Joe Huang <br>White Box Technologies, Inc.<br>346 Rheem Blvd., Suite 205A<br>Moraga CA 94556<br><a href="mailto:yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com" target="_blank">yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com</a><br><a href="http://weather.whiteboxtechnologies.com" target="_blank">http://weather.whiteboxtechnologies.com</a> for simulation-ready weather data<br><a href="http://www.whiteboxtechnologies.com" target="_blank">http://www.whiteboxtechnologies.com</a><br>(o) (925)388-0265<br>(c) (510)928-2683<br>"building energy simulations at your fingertips"<br><br><br>On 4/23/2015 6:18 AM, Daniel Knapp wrote:<br>Hi Mayank,<br><br>I recommend opening up the SIM file (you can do this by going to Tools -> View Simulation Output) and looking at the LS-C and LV-D reports. In the LS-C report you can find the contribution to the peak heating and cooling loads that come from the walls. From this you should be able to figure out how the wall conduction is changing as a fraction of the peak loads as you decrease the wall U-value. In the LV-D report (scroll to the very end of it) there is a summary of the U-values for each exterior surface. This might be a good place to look to make sure that the effective U-values that eQUEST is simulating are matching up with your expectations of what the U-values should be.<br><br>I would agree that the energy savings should saturate at some point.<br><br>All the best,<br>Dan<br><br><br>—<br>Daniel Knapp, PhD, PPhys, LEED® AP O+M<br><a href="mailto:danielk@arborus.ca" target="_blank">danielk@arborus.ca</a><br><br>Arborus Consulting<br>Energy Strategies for the Built Environment<br><a href="http://www.arborus.ca" target="_blank">www.arborus.ca</a><br>76 Chamberlain Avenue<br>Ottawa, ON, K1S 1V9<br>Phone: (613) 234-7178 ext. 113<br>Fax: (613) 234-0740<br><br><br><br><br>On Apr 23, 2015, at 5:00 AM, Mayank Bhatnagar <<a href="mailto:mayank.23aug@gmail.com" target="_blank">mayank.23aug@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>Hi Claire,<br><br>Thanks for your response.<br><br>The analysis has been done on an 8 hour operating office building in New Delhi. The mechanical system is packaged single zone system with electric resistance heating.<br><br>Please let me know if you need more information.<br><br>Thanks<br><br>Regards,<br>Mayank<br><br>On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Claire Das Bhaumik <<a href="mailto:claire@inklingllp.com" target="_blank">claire@inklingllp.com</a>> wrote:<br>Mayank,<br><br>I think we need to know a bit more about the building:<br>- Location (some parts of India are cool, others hot!)<br>- Building usage - office, domestic, retail? Hours of use?<br>- Servicing - heating and cooling? Mechanical or natural vent?<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Dr Claire Das Bhaumik CEng FCIBSE<br><br>Partner - Inkling LLP<br><br> <br>e: <a href="mailto:claire@inklingllp.com" target="_blank">claire@inklingllp.com</a><br><br>t: 07950 282800<br><br>w: <a href="http://www.inklingllp.com" target="_blank">www.inklingllp.com</a><br><br>Follow us on Twitter: @DasInkling<br><br>Partnership No. OC367619<br><br><br>On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Mayank Bhatnagar <<a href="mailto:mayank.23aug@gmail.com" target="_blank">mayank.23aug@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>Dear All,<br><br>We are working on a national level research project in India. A building envelope analysis is a part of this project. By doing analysis, we have found a vague results in trend (linearly downward) of reduction in energy consumption with reducing wall U-value in eQUEST.<br><br>Theoretically, the energy consumption should approach to stagnant with reduction in wall U-value.<br><br>Please refer figure.<br><br>Appreciate if anyone put light on this.<br><br>Thank you.<br><br>Regards,<br><br>Mayank Bhatnagar<br><br>Theoretical should come like this.<br><image.png><br><br>In eQuest the trend is-<br><image.png><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Bldg-sim mailing list<br><a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/bldg-sim-onebuilding.org</a><br>To unsubscribe from this mailing list send a blank message to <a href="mailto:BLDG-SIM-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG" target="_blank">BLDG-SIM-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG</a><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Equest-users mailing list<br><a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding.org" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding.org</a><br>To unsubscribe from this mailing list send a blank message to <a href="mailto:EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG" target="_blank">EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG</a><br>_______________________________________________<br>Equest-users mailing list<br><a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding.org" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding.org</a><br>To unsubscribe from this mailing list send a blank message to <a href="mailto:EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG" target="_blank">EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG</a><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Equest-users mailing list<br><a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding.org" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding.org</a><br>To unsubscribe from this mailing list send a blank message to <a href="mailto:EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG" target="_blank">EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG</a><br><br><span><Small Office Bldg_v5_4.pd2></span><span><Small Office Bldg_v5_4.inp></span><span><IND_New.Delhi.421820_ISHRAE.BIN></span><br></blockquote><br></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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