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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Thanks Jeff!<br>
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      Can you provide a link to your paper, or a site that sells it if
      it is for sale?  Please?<br>
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      Also, look here for some interesting thoughts on comparing
      software.  This has been mentioned before on this list:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/tools_directory/software.cfm/ID=85/pagename=alpha_list">http://apps1.eere.energy.gov/buildings/tools_directory/software.cfm/ID=85/pagename=alpha_list</a><br>
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      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C
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      On 5/2/2014 11:37 AM, Jeff Haberl wrote:<br>
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        <p>Hello Simge:, </p>
        <p> </p>
        <p>Unfortunately, I don't think you'll ever get EP+ and eQUEST
          to agree without significant effort. At best, you can get
          specific aspects of the program to agree, but the overall
          results can be very different unless you do extrodinary things
          to the input files.</p>
        <p> </p>
        <p>As part of RP1468  we developed a comparison simulation of
          the SAMP1E.INP file RUN3A from DOE-2.1e against eQUEST and
          EP+, which we could not get to agree very well. In fact, we
          could not even get eQUEST and DOE-2.1e to agree. The results
          can be found in the final report for 1468. </p>
        <p> </p>
        <p>In addition we developed a comparison tool the "RASR" that
          automatically chooses the correct variables to compare, which
          was a major problem with the comparisons...what to compare
          against what...not even clear between DOE-2.1e and DOE-2.2.</p>
        <p> </p>
        <p>Finally, the defaults all need to be "revealed" as well,
          since this can be one other areas where you think you're
          simulating the same thing...but don't know it because the
          defaults are set to X,Y,Z and you don't see it unless you have
          the program print all the defaults. In addition, you'll need
          to "reset" all the performance curves in one of the other
          programs to match.</p>
        <p> </p>
        <p>In the long run, it may be easier to solve clmate change than
          it may be to get the different simulations engines to agree.</p>
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        <p>Jeff </p>
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            <div><font color="#0000ff" face="Tahoma" size="2">8=!  8=) 
                :=)  8=)  ;=)  8=)  8=(  8=)  8=()  8=)  8=|  8=)  :=') 
                8=) 8=?<br>
                Jeff S. Haberl, Ph.D.,P.E.inactive,FASHRAE,FIBPSA,......<a
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                8=/  8=)  :=)  8=)  ;=)  8=)  8=()  8=)  :=)  8=)  8=! 
                8=)  8=? 8=) </font><font color="#0000ff" face="Tahoma"
                size="2">8=0<br>
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              color="#000000" face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
              [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] on behalf of
              Simge Andolsun [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:simgeandolsun@gmail.com">simgeandolsun@gmail.com</a>]<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 01, 2014 3:35 PM<br>
              <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Significan​tly Higher
              Heating and Cooling Energy Consumptio​n in EnergyPlus When
              Compared to eQUEST<br>
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              <div>Dear eQUEST users (Particularly Dear Joe Huang),</div>
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              <div>Please find the attached eQUEST and EnergyPlus files.
                They represent identical cases for comparison of the two
                programs. The runs are conducted for Los Angeles. The
                heating and cooling consumption of EnergyPlus file are,
                however, unreasonably higher than that of EQUEST. It is
                particularly strange that heating occurs in early
                morning time during the summer in EnergyPlus whereas no
                heating occurs in eQUEST during these hours.</div>
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              <div>We need our results not to deviate extremely from
                eQUEST when we start using EnergyPlus. That is why, I am
                conducting this comparative analyses for cases
                representing identical conditions. I would appreciate it
                very much if you could examine these files and let me
                know whether there is anything I can do to make the
                results of these cases in the two programs as close as
                possible to each other.</div>
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              <div>Dear Joe Huang,</div>
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              <div>Please see the attached charts that show the hourly
                variation of temperatures in the system nodes and hourly
                energy consumption. There is definitely something weird
                going on in the early morning hours when the system just
                starts working. I have read your paper in the link
                below. Below is a section from your paper that I have
                paid particular attention to. Might I be having a
                similar issue in my case? </div>
              <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://gundog.lbl.gov/dirpubs/SB06/huang.pdf"
                  target="_blank">http://gundog.lbl.gov/dirpubs/SB06/huang.pdf</a>.
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                <p align="left"><font face="Times New Roman"><font
                      face="Times New Roman"><i>"Heating to the cooling
                        setpoint</i></font></font><font face="Times New
                    Roman"><font face="Times New Roman">. Temperature
                      plots revealed that at times during the shoulder
                      seasons,
                      <em>EnergyPlus </em><font face="Times New Roman"><font
                          face="Times New Roman">had difficulty in
                          picking between the heating or cooling season
                          control logic. This resulted in the supply air
                          being heated to the cooling, rather than the
                          heating, setpoint during the morning hours.
                          This problem was corrected by improving the
                          setpoint manager in
                          <i><font face="Times New Roman"><font
                                face="Times New Roman">EnergyPlus</font></font></i><font
                            face="Times New Roman"><font face="Times New
                              Roman">."</font></font></font></font></font></font></p>
                <font face="Times New Roman"><font face="Times New
                    Roman">
                    <p>Looking forward to hearing from you,</p>
                    <div>Best Regards,</div>
                    <div>Simge Andolsun, PhD.</div>
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