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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">David,  no, can't you tell :-)<br>
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      Could you explain to me in simple layman's terms what is "pre
      retro-commissioning" ?  I know what's commissioning, and even have
      a good idea what's "retro-commissioning", but "pre
      retro-commissioning" ?  Is that like preparing to get ready to do
      something ? <br>
      <br>
      Joe<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 2/11/2014 6:27 PM, David Eldridge wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Joe,
            you aren’t performing “p-RCx energy models” very often?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But
            seriously Arunabha, the magnitude of RCx savings for a
            facility may not be a high percentage of the total usage –
            although the measures are low-cost and quick payback –
            energy modeling used as part of RCx should try to use actual
            weather data if possible or else the variances due to
            weather might be the same magnitude as the RCMs if you are
            attempting any significant level of calibration for the
            model.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">However
            you should then run the proposed case with typical weather
            in order to model an “expected” annual savings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Depending
            what measures you are modeling and whether you have any
            calibration data during the “p-RCx” phase, typical weather
            could work well enough, at least to get started and see if
            you should continue using the model for this purpose.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">David<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><u><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">                                                                                               
              </span></u><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">David
              S. Eldridge, Jr., P.E., LEED AP BD+C, BEMP, BEAP, HBDP</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#244061">Grumman/Butkus
                Associates</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><u><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">                                                                                               
              </span></u><span
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                Joe Huang [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com">mailto:yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com</a>]
                <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 11, 2014 2:43 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Arunabha Sau; David Eldridge;
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: Fwd: Composition of weather file
                data<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">It's inevitable that the peak conditions
            will fluctuate from year to year, that's just the chaotic
            nature of the weather.  If you
            <br>
            use a "typical year" weather file, you will tend to get, but
            not necessarily, an average annual peak, since the months
            have been selected to best match the long-term distribution
            of temperatures, humidity, solar, wind speed, etc.  
            <br>
            <br>
            What is pre-RCx ?  "pre retro-commissioning"?  What is
            that?  Too many adjectives for me :-)
            <br>
            <br>
            In any case, if you're modeling an existing building to
            assess its historical performance, I would definitely use
            actual year weather files.
            <br>
            As for where to find such data, there's a proliferation of
            sources on the Web, although most would require processing
            to turn them into formats required by simulation programs
            such as eQUEST, etc. 
            <br>
            <br>
            Joe<br>
            Joe Huang     <br>
            White Box Technologies, Inc.<br>
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            for simulation-ready weather data<br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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            (o) (925)388-0265<br>
            (c) (510)928-2683<br>
            "building energy simulations at your fingertips"<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            On 2/11/2014 4:09 AM, Arunabha Sau wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#000066">Thanks
                  Joe & David. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#000066">Appreciate
                      your explanation. It was very through.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#000066">In
                      an EPW file, I saw only 1990's data, so I was
                      worried about the peak if the typical years's data
                      would be different or so! I was modeling for
                      pre-RCx. So, I was more concerned about actual (or
                      near to actual) heating/cooling load.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#000066">For
                      Cx modeling, do you guys make model out of these
                      weather file or make a more customized weather
                      file from some online available weather file
                      source or buy one?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#000066"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#000066">Best
                      regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#000066">Aru<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#000066"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
                        style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#000066">~~~</span></i><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#000066"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#000066">Texas Aggie
                        '10</span></i>
                    <o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#000066">JU,
                          Kolkata '05</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"">~~~</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><i><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red">Try
                          not to become a man of success, but rather try
                          to become a man of value.</span></i><b><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red"> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red">- Albert
                        Einstein </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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