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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Aru,<br>
      <br>
      Your multiple mention of the EPW Indian weather files all being
      from 1990 finally stirred me to do some digging, since I've been
      providing technical<br>
      assistance to ISHRAE since 2007, first in improving the solar on
      the first set of files for 58 Indian locations developed by ISHRAE
      , and then in creating a totally new second set of files for 38
      locations completed in 2011.  <br>
      <br>
      I have checked the first set of ISHRAE weather files for 58
      locations in India (these are the ones provided by ISHRAE to DOE
      to put on the EnergyPlus Weather web site as EPWs), and yes those
      all say 1990s for all months.  However, the documentation dated
      Sept. 1998 states that the raw data  contain from 5 to 10 years of
      historical data.  So, it may very well be that these files may
      actually contain months from different years, but I can't vouch
      for that since that was done before my involvement.<br>
      <br>
      I do have a good memory on the second set of weather files, since
      I was involved in their creation.  Those are definitely  "typical
      year" files created from 15 years of data when available, but in a
      few cases I settled for as few as 3 due to data scarcity. The key
      point in the second set is that I calculated the solar radiation
      against satellite-derived solar values that just became available
      in 2010.  The final files were provided to ISHRAE in early 2011,
      but I have no information on their distribution or availability,
      which is completely in their hands.  If you're interested, I can
      provide you with a contact person at ISHRAE.<br>
      <br>
      Joe<br>
      <br>
      Joe Huang     <br>
      White Box Technologies, Inc.<br>
      346 Rheem Blvd., Suite 108D<br>
      Moraga CA 94556<br>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com">yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com</a><br>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://weather.whiteboxtechnologies.com">http://weather.whiteboxtechnologies.com</a> for simulation-ready
      weather data<br>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.whiteboxtechnologies.com">http://www.whiteboxtechnologies.com</a><br>
      (o) (925)388-0265<br>
      (c) (510)928-2683<br>
      "building energy simulations at your fingertips"<br>
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      On 2/11/2014 6:42 PM, Arunabha Sau wrote:<br>
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          style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,102)">Yea,
          David. Joe is just making the state-of-art weather files thru'
          ASHRAE research projects but he is not performing any
          "p-RCx"!! :)</div>
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          style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,102)">Thanks
          David. Appreciate the reply.The EPW Indian weather files
          typically from 1990s. It's typical year weather file. But I
          don't think I should use this old weather file in Cx model. My
          project is a fairly simple model with few simple EEMs -
          efficient chiller and air side economizer.</div>
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          style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,102)">Of
          course I can calibrate the model to the current energy usage.
          Do you think using the 1990 weather file would be good way?</div>
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          style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,102)">Cheers!</div>
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          style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,102)">Aru</div>
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          <div><font color="#000066" face="Georgia, serif"><i>~~~</i></font></div>
          <span
            style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;border-collapse:collapse"><i><font
                color="#000066" size="1"><span
                  style="font-family:Georgia,serif">Texas</span><span
                  style="font-family:Georgia,serif"> </span><span
                  style="font-family:Georgia,serif">Aggie '10</span></font></i></span>
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              style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;border-collapse:collapse"><span><span
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                      color="#000066" size="1">JU, Kolkata '05</font></i></span></span></span></div>
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                  style="color:black;font-family:Georgia,serif"><i><font
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                <p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font color="#ff0000"
                    face="Arial, sans-serif" size="1"><i>Try not to
                      become a man of success, but rather try to become
                      a man of value.</i><b> </b></font></p>
                <p style="margin:0in 0in 0pt"><font size="1"><font
                      color="#ff0000" face="Arial, sans-serif">- </font><span
style="color:rgb(255,0,0);font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Albert Einstein </span></font></p>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 7:57 AM, David
          Eldridge <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:DEldridge@grummanbutkus.com" target="_blank">DEldridge@grummanbutkus.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Joe,
                    you aren’t performing “p-RCx energy models” very
                    often?</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">But
                    seriously Arunabha, the magnitude of RCx savings for
                    a facility may not be a high percentage of the total
                    usage – although the measures are low-cost and quick
                    payback – energy modeling used as part of RCx should
                    try to use actual weather data if possible or else
                    the variances due to weather might be the same
                    magnitude as the RCMs if you are attempting any
                    significant level of calibration for the model.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">However
                    you should then run the proposed case with typical
                    weather in order to model an “expected” annual
                    savings.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Depending
                    what measures you are modeling and whether you have
                    any calibration data during the “p-RCx” phase,
                    typical weather could work well enough, at least to
                    get started and see if you should continue using the
                    model for this purpose.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">David</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><u><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">                                                                                               
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"></span></p>
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style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">David
                      S. Eldridge, Jr., P.E., LEED AP BD+C, BEMP, BEAP,
                      HBDP</span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#244061">Grumman/Butkus
                        Associates</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"></span></p>
                  <p class="MsoNormal"><u><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">                                                                                               
                      </span></u><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"></span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                        Joe Huang [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com"
                          target="_blank">yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com</a>]
                        <br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 11, 2014 2:43 PM<br>
                        <b>To:</b> Arunabha Sau; David Eldridge; <a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org"
                          target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: Fwd: Composition of weather
                        file data</span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">It's inevitable that the peak
                        conditions will fluctuate from year to year,
                        that's just the chaotic nature of the weather. 
                        If you
                        <br>
                        use a "typical year" weather file, you will tend
                        to get, but not necessarily, an average annual
                        peak, since the months have been selected to
                        best match the long-term distribution of
                        temperatures, humidity, solar, wind speed, etc.
                         
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        What is pre-RCx ?  "pre retro-commissioning"? 
                        What is that?  Too many adjectives for me :-)
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        In any case, if you're modeling an existing
                        building to assess its historical performance, I
                        would definitely use actual year weather files.
                        <br>
                        As for where to find such data, there's a
                        proliferation of sources on the Web, although
                        most would require processing to turn them into
                        formats required by simulation programs such as
                        eQUEST, etc. 
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        Joe<br>
                        Joe Huang     <br>
                        White Box Technologies, Inc.<br>
                        346 Rheem Blvd., Suite 108D<br>
                        Moraga CA 94556<br>
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com"
                          target="_blank">yjhuang@whiteboxtechnologies.com</a><br>
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://weather.whiteboxtechnologies.com"
                          target="_blank">http://weather.whiteboxtechnologies.com</a>
                        for simulation-ready weather data<br>
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://www.whiteboxtechnologies.com"
                          target="_blank">http://www.whiteboxtechnologies.com</a><br>
                        (o) <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="tel:%28925%29388-0265"
                          value="+19253880265" target="_blank">(925)388-0265</a><br>
                        (c) <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="tel:%28510%29928-2683"
                          value="+15109282683" target="_blank">(510)928-2683</a><br>
                        "building energy simulations at your fingertips"<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        On 2/11/2014 4:09 AM, Arunabha Sau wrote:</p>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#000066">Thanks
                              Joe & David. </span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#000066">Appreciate
                                  your explanation. It was very through.</span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#000066">In
                                  an EPW file, I saw only 1990's data,
                                  so I was worried about the peak if the
                                  typical years's data would be
                                  different or so! I was modeling for
                                  pre-RCx. So, I was more concerned
                                  about actual (or near to actual)
                                  heating/cooling load.</span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#000066">For
                                  Cx modeling, do you guys make model
                                  out of these weather file or make a
                                  more customized weather file from some
                                  online available weather file source
                                  or buy one?</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#000066"> </span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#000066">Best
                                  regards,</span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#000066">Aru</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#000066"> </span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
                                    style="font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#000066">~~~</span></i><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#000066"></span></p>
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                              <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#000066">Texas Aggie
                                    '10</span></i>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif";color:#000066">JU,
                                      Kolkata '05</span></i></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Georgia","serif"">~~~</span></i></p>
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                                <p
                                  style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><i><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red">Try
                                      not to become a man of success,
                                      but rather try to become a man of
                                      value.</span></i><b><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red"> </span></b></p>
                                <p
                                  style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red">- Albert
                                    Einstein </span></p>
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