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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Omar,<br>
      <br>
      For estimating proposed buildings cooling/heating  efficiencies
      you can follow any of two method's mentioned below-<br>
      1. You can use default heating cooling efficiencies as per USGBC
      DES modelling document.<br>
      2. You have to calculate manually heating and cooling efficiencies
      of whole plant( Including Cooling tower , pumps, chillers etc.) at
      part load i.e DES system capacity.<br>
      <br>
      I would suggest that modelling of whole system is not required
      when DES option is availed.<br>
      <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Thanks & Regards
Rajendra Choudhary
Sr.Energy Analyst
 
e: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rajendra@kalpakrit.com">rajendra@kalpakrit.com</a>

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      On 1/6/2014 10:12 PM, Scott Parker wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Omar,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">For the
            "modeling" option you will need to model the plant with the
            assumed full load (which includes more than just the one
            building).  In a separate energy mode: Run an energy model
            with load from all buildings on it, and then use the average
            efficiency (e.g. kW/ton, COP, etc) in the building model as
            a constant efficiency for the whole year. 
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">For example,
            from the plant model you may come up with a COP = 5.1 as an
            <u>annual average</u>.  Then the building model would use
            COP = 5.1 as a <u>constant value</u>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I'll leave it
            up to you to determine the best way to model the full load
            on the DES plant, but this could be estimated with a
            relatively simple model.  The modeling software Trace has a
            specific feature for this, but you can manually do this in
            eQuest with a little work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Scott<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
              [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
              <b>On Behalf Of </b>Omar Katanani<br>
              <b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 06, 2014 11:30 AM<br>
              <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
              <b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Modeling District Energy
              Systems for LEED<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy"
            lang="EN-GB">Dear Sirs,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy"
            lang="EN-GB">I am modeling a school building for LEED which
            has a Campus Energy System (water cooled chiller and diesel
            boiler). The DES was installed almost 8 months ago for the
            first phase of the project.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy"
            lang="EN-GB">Now, I am modeling for the project’s second
            phase, and additional chillers / boilers will be added to
            the DES in order to be able to serve both phases in addition
            to any potential building on campus in the future.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            lang="EN-GB"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1)<span
                style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">    
              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy"
            lang="EN-GB">Looking at the USGBC’s guidance for DES
            (Appendix C): in order to determine the proposed building
            heating / cooling efficiency, I guess I have to go with the
            “Modeling” option because the DES will be expanded as part
            of my project (so it’s not existing).
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy"
            lang="EN-GB">For this option, do I have to create a separate
            model of the district plant, or shall I add this district
            plant to my project's model? Appendix C says "Apply measured
            or estimated load profiles as "process loads" to reflect the
            estimated total loads on the plant". If this is the case,
            then if I add the process loads in addition to my project's
            loads, I will be double counting the loads, right?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy"
            lang="EN-GB">Does this mean I have to create a dummy project
            building (with no loads) with the proposed district plant to
            determine the efficiencies?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy"
            lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy"
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              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy"
            lang="EN-GB">Does anyone have additional guidance for
            modeling district energy systems, other than the one of the
            USGBC? Something with more examples or maybe a case study
            with actual numbers?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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