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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>For what it's worth, I've used 22 W / gpm for each system (primary and secondary) for the past few LEED projects, and have not had any comments, given that the LEED "Revised Section 1 4 Table" from Dec 2012 specifically lists that the primary and secondary pumping system should be at 22 W / gpm. By the way, if you're not using the Table 1.4 excel spreadsheet to document EAp2/EAc1, you should, because it makes it way easier for GBCI to review your model, and it minimizes the chance and/or severity of comments. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=903 style='width:677.0pt;margin-left:-.65pt;border-collapse:collapse'><tr style='height:12.75pt'><td width=172 style='width:129.0pt;border:solid gray 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:12.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>CHW Loop Configuration<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=291 valign=top style='width:218.0pt;border:solid gray 1.0pt;border-left:none;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:12.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#404040'>Primary/secondary per G3.1.3.10<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=220 colspan=2 style='width:165.0pt;border-top:solid gray 1.0pt;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;border-right:none;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:12.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>N/A<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=220 colspan=2 style='width:165.0pt;border:solid gray 1.0pt;border-right:none;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:12.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>N/A<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:25.5pt'><td width=172 style='width:129.0pt;border:solid gray 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:25.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Number of Primary CHW Pumps<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=291 valign=top style='width:218.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;border-right:solid gray 1.0pt;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:25.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#404040'>1 per chiller per G3.1.3.11<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=172 style='width:129.0pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:25.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>N/A<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=48 style='width:.5in;border:solid gray 1.0pt;border-top:none;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:25.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>#<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=172 style='width:129.0pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:25.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>N/A<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=48 style='width:.5in;border:solid gray 1.0pt;border-top:none;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:25.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>#<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:12.75pt'><td width=172 style='width:129.0pt;border:solid gray 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:12.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Primary CHW Pump Power<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=291 valign=top style='width:218.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;border-right:solid gray 1.0pt;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:12.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'>22 W/gpm per G3.1.3.10<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td width=172 style='width:129.0pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:12.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>N/A<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=48 style='width:.5in;border:solid gray 1.0pt;border-top:none;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:12.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=172 style='width:129.0pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:12.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>N/A<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=48 style='width:.5in;border:solid gray 1.0pt;border-top:none;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:12.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>W/gpm<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:22.5pt'><td width=172 style='width:129.0pt;border:solid gray 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:22.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Primary CHW Pump Flow<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=291 valign=top style='width:218.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;border-right:solid gray 1.0pt;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:22.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#404040'>Auto-sized with a capacity ratio of 1.0 based on CHW temperatures<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=172 style='width:129.0pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:22.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>N/A<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=48 style='width:.5in;border:solid gray 1.0pt;border-top:none;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:22.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>gpm<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=172 style='width:129.0pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:22.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>N/A<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=48 style='width:.5in;border:solid gray 1.0pt;border-top:none;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:22.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>gpm<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:30.75pt'><td width=172 style='width:129.0pt;border:solid gray 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Primary CHW Pump Control<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=291 valign=top style='width:218.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;border-right:solid gray 1.0pt;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#404040'>Constant Flow - each primary pump interlocked to operate with associated chiller - G3.1.3.10, G3.1.3.11<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=220 colspan=2 style='width:165.0pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>N/A<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=220 colspan=2 style='width:165.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:solid gray 1.0pt;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;border-right:none;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:30.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>N/A<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:50.25pt'><td width=172 style='width:129.0pt;border:solid gray 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:50.25pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Number of Secondary CHW Pumps<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=291 valign=top style='width:218.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;border-right:solid gray 1.0pt;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:50.25pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#404040'>1 per G3.1.3.10<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=172 style='width:129.0pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:50.25pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>N/A<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=48 style='width:.5in;border:solid gray 1.0pt;border-top:none;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:50.25pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>#<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=172 style='width:129.0pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:50.25pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>N/A<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=48 style='width:.5in;border:solid gray 1.0pt;border-top:none;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:50.25pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>#<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:12.75pt'><td width=172 style='width:129.0pt;border:solid gray 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:12.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Secondary CHW Pump Power<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=291 valign=top style='width:218.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;border-right:solid gray 1.0pt;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:12.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red'>22 W/gpm per G3.1.3.10<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td width=172 style='width:129.0pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:12.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>N/A<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=48 style='width:.5in;border:solid gray 1.0pt;border-top:none;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:12.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>W/gpm<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=172 style='width:129.0pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:12.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>N/A<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=48 style='width:.5in;border:solid gray 1.0pt;border-top:none;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:12.75pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>W/gpm<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:22.5pt'><td width=172 style='width:129.0pt;border:solid gray 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:22.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Secondary CHW Pump Flow<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=291 valign=top style='width:218.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;border-right:solid gray 1.0pt;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:22.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#404040'>Auto-sized with a capacity ratio of 1.0 based on CHW temperatures<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=172 style='width:129.0pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:22.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>N/A<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=48 style='width:.5in;border:solid gray 1.0pt;border-top:none;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:22.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>gpm<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=172 style='width:129.0pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:22.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>N/A<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=48 style='width:.5in;border:solid gray 1.0pt;border-top:none;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:22.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>gpm<o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr><tr style='height:25.5pt'><td width=172 style='width:129.0pt;border:solid gray 1.0pt;border-top:none;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:25.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Secondary CHW Pump Control<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=291 valign=top style='width:218.0pt;border-top:none;border-left:none;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;border-right:solid gray 1.0pt;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:25.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal><b><i><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#333333'><300 tons:</span></i></b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#333333'> riding the pump curve<br><b><i>≥300 tons:</i></b> variable speed<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=172 style='width:129.0pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:25.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>N/A<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=48 style='width:.5in;border:solid gray 1.0pt;border-top:none;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:25.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=172 style='width:129.0pt;border:none;border-bottom:solid gray 1.0pt;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:25.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>N/A<o:p></o:p></span></p></td><td width=48 style='width:.5in;border:solid gray 1.0pt;border-top:none;background:#D8D8D8;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:25.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regardless of how ASHRAE has ruled, GBCI makes it pretty clear that you should use 22 W / gpm for both primary and secondary loop pumps.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#4D4F53'>GHT Limited<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0C3844'>James Hansen, PE, LEED AP, BEMP<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0C3844'>Senior Associate<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0C3844'>1110 N. Glebe Road, Suite 300<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0C3844'>Arlington, VA 22201<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0C3844'>703.243.1200 (main)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0C3844'>703.338.5754 (direct/cell)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.ghtltd.com"><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#C4BA00;text-decoration:none'>www.ghtltd.com</span></b></a></span><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#C4BA00'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick Caton<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 27, 2013 12:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> Christian Kaltreider; 'Bishop, Bill'; 'Joe Fleming'; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] App G Baseline CHW Pump Power<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for bringing that back up - I thought this remained an ambiguous/grey area indefinitely. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As to potential for squeezing extra performance via power distribution between pumps… I’ve never considered that, but to share my anecdotal experience I typically just dump all the power on the secondary pumps and make the primary pumps “powerless” for simplicity’s sake in documentation/QC. I suppose for variable-secondary cases that approach might miss out on some baseline energy that would otherwise be burned by a CV primary…</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>A “logical” approach would be to proportion the ‘system’ 22W/GPM by a ratio to match the pump sizing in the actual design.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>That said, I’ve never been told to proportion my pump energies any differently than my simplified approach of dumping it all in one place.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hope that helps =),</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>~Nick</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><img border=0 width=119 height=37 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CEEB6D.89E7B730" alt="cid:489575314@22072009-0ABB"></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Stylus BT","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'>NICK CATON, P.E.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#CC9900'>SENIOR ENGINEER</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#CC9900'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'>Smith & Boucher Engineers</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'>25501 west valley parkway, suite 200</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'>olathe, ks 66061</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'>direct 913.344.0036</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E'>fax 913.345.0617</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.smithboucher.com">www.smithboucher.com</a></span><u><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'> </span></u><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Christian Kaltreider<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 25, 2013 2:26 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Bishop, Bill'; 'Joe Fleming'; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] App G Baseline CHW Pump Power</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yes, that lays it out pretty clearly. 22 W/GPM system total. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I wonder if future 90.1 versions will prevent gaming of the system (intentional or not) by offering guidance on power allocation among pumps? </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks for the helpful replies,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Christian</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Bishop, Bill [<a href="mailto:bbishop@pathfinder-ea.com">mailto:bbishop@pathfinder-ea.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 25, 2013 2:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> Joe Fleming; 'Christian Kaltreider'; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] App G Baseline CHW Pump Power</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Christian,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Confirming what Joe says, an <a href="https://www.ashrae.org/File%20Library/docLib/StdsInterpretations/IC-90-1-2007-14.pdf">ASHRAE interpretation</a> clarified that 22W/gpm is the total power of all baseline CHW pumps.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bill</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Medium","sans-serif";color:black'>William Bishop, PE, BEMP, BEAP, LEED AP </span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Medium","sans-serif";color:#006600'>|</span></b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Franklin Gothic Medium","sans-serif";color:black'> Pathfinder Engineers & Architects LLP</span></b><o:p></o:p></p></div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=522 style='width:391.85pt;border-collapse:collapse'><tr style='height:.2in'><td width=370 style='width:277.4pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 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style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>bbishop@pathfinder-ea.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.pathfinder-ea.com/"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>www.pathfinder-ea.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr style='height:26.3pt'><td width=370 valign=top style='width:277.4pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:26.3pt'><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:green'>P</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:green'> </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:green'>Sustainability – the forest AND the trees.</span><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:green'> </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:green'>P</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:green'> </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;color:green'> </span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:green'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joe Fleming<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 25, 2013 2:07 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Christian Kaltreider'; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] App G Baseline CHW Pump Power</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Almost certain that the GBCI interprets it as a whole system divvy, not each pump with 22W/GPM.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Joe Fleming </span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>|<b> </b>PE, LEED AP BD+C, BEMP</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Commissioning Agent / Energy Modeler </span></i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>| </span><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#5B960C'>The Spinnaker Group</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>561.602.3132 |</span></b><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'> </span></b><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:joe@thespinnakergroupinc.com">joe@thespinnakergroupinc.com</a></span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Corbel","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Christian Kaltreider<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 25, 2013 2:01 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] App G Baseline CHW Pump Power</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hello,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In November 2010, around the same time someone was modeling a building that looked like a turkey, there was a conversation on this list about baseline CHW pump power:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/htdig.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding.org/2010-November/006941.html">http://lists.onebuilding.org/htdig.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding.org/2010-November/006941.html</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Part of the discussion was some back and forth about how to apply G 3.1.3.10. This section calls for baseline pump power to equal 22W/GPM and for the CHW pumping configuration to be primary/secondary. Some had the opinion that each pump (primary and secondary loops) should have 22 W/GPM assigned to it, while others thought that the total CHW pump system power should sum to 22 W/GPM, and that it was up to the modeler to divvy up the power among pumps as they see fit. I did not see a clear conclusion. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Does anyone know if a general consensus was reached?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Christian</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#595959'>Christian Kaltreider, LEED AP</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#595959'> | Energy Analyst</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#4F6228'>Sud Associates, P.A.</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#595959'> | T 828.255.4691 | F 828.255.4949 | <a href="http://www.sudassociates.com">www.sudassociates.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>