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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Simge,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The higher cooling consumption comes from increased fan power due to the added pressure drop of the heat recovery unit. As your fans are working harder, they
are emitting more heat into the supply air stream that the cooling coil needs to address to meet set point.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Make sure you have appropriate pressure drops: 0.5” for run around loop, 1.0” for wheel are good rules of thumb. Pressure drops are found under the “Heat Recovery
2” tab. I typically account for the pressure drop in my main AHU fan power and set the pressure drop and fan power to zero in tab 2. Either way works; just make sure you’re not double counting fan power.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">A 5 degree deltaT is pretty common for control. Also make sure the heat recovery is modulating so you’re not overshooting your set points and having to reheat.
Enthalpy control is not commonly done because of maintenance issues for RH sensors. Enthalpy controls saves more on paper, but reality will be dictated on how well the system is maintained.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As for applicability to your climate and design outdoor air fraction, ASHRAE 90.1 provides guidance on that, which is generally pretty good. I’ve had baselines
operate poorly by requiring heat recovery due to utility rates (expensive electricity, cheap natural gas), but that’s uncommon.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I see. Thanks for this information. When I model the cooling season separately in another file with economizer and without energy recovery, then I am avoiding having to use these inefficient motors, which saves energy. Can we say that modeling
cooling season with no energy recovery is a good idea then? Can you think of any problem that might arise with this approach? Would you please let me know?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 3:13 PM, Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr. <<a href="mailto:poleary1969@gmail.com" target="_blank">poleary1969@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">a delta t of "0" will make it run all of the time. i.e. erv supply fan motor, exhaust motor, and wheel motor. and these motors aren't typically very efficient.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for your response. I actually had set my schedule to OA Exhaust DT when get these results. The delta T I used was "0" so that the system would benefit from every bit of temperature difference.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">how are you controlling the erv/energy recovery? the default is for it to run when the supply fan runs. this will cost you more in energy than it saves. set the control method based on a delta T between the exhaust air and the outside
air you'll see the savings in cooling mode. in my climate zone (2b/southern arizona) the best delta t i found is 27 d f.<br>
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once you set up the erv to run based on a delta t you can set up some parametric runs (set up one & then copy & rename it in the .inp file to save time) to try different delta t values without having to change each hvac unit every time you want to try a different
delta t. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In my models, I realized that using energy recovery in the cooling season always gives higher cooling energy consumption results than turning off the energy recovery and using economizer only instead. I tried using OA Heat/Cool with Bypass
OA or Bypass Exhaust thinking that such configuration would capture the best benefit of energy recovery and let the outside/exhaust air bypass when economizer is more beneficial. Then, I read in the eQuest manuals that this configuration still lets the energy
recovery run when it is not beneficial in warm months and just opens up the economizer dampers to compensate for the unnecessary heating of the outside air. So, the loss caused by the energy recovery eats up the benefit that is provided with the economizer.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thus, I thought, may be, I should use two separate files to maximize the benefit from both the economizer and the energy recovery. The first file would be for heating (with OA Heating) where the energy recovery would be on whenever it can
heat the outside air. Then the second file would be for cooling where there would be no energy recovery but the economizer would be available whenever the outside air is favorable for cooling. Finally, I would get heating energy consumption from the heating
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<p class="MsoNormal">The only thing that stops me from following this approach is that I am wondering whether there was a logical reason why bypass configurations of eQuest give higher cooling energy consumption than the economizer only case. Shouldn't they
be giving exactly the same cooling energy consumption? Is it because part of the outside/exhaust air is being bypassed in the bypass configurations instead of fully? or may it be because it is known that setting the energy recovery and economizer for the best
benefit is pretty hard in reality and that's why it was assumed that it would not function ideally? Or, is there a completely different reason that I do not know?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Would you please help me with this question?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'd appreciate it very much.<o:p></o:p></p>
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