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    Nick, Jeff, <br>
    <br>
    I remember this issue coming up when I had lunch with Charles Eley a
    few months ago, but I don't dare repeat what I remembered Charles'
    saying, because my memory is not that good.  Therefore, I'm
    forwarding this to Charles in hopes that he can chime in himself!<br>
    <br>
    Joe<br>
    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="90">Joe Huang
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    <br>
    On 11/13/2013 2:05 PM, Nick Caton wrote:
    <blockquote
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
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            73, 125);">Hi Jeff,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);">My loose understanding is the line of “rotations
            or not” is drawn by whether it’s considered by LEED a “major
            renovation.”
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -0.25in;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
            style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);"><span style="">·<span style="font: 7pt
                "Times New Roman";">        
              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:
            11pt; font-family:
            "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);">100% new construction – do the rotations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -0.25in;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
            style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);"><span style="">·<span style="font: 7pt
                "Times New Roman";">        
              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:
            11pt; font-family:
            "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);">100% existing renovation – no rotations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -0.25in;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
            style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Symbol; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);"><span style="">·<span style="font: 7pt
                "Times New Roman";">        
              </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:
            11pt; font-family:
            "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);">Combination of new construction and existing
            renovation – do the rotations if the new construction (by
            footprint) exceeds the existing building areas  (>50% new
            construction).  For that case, the building orientation is
            considered an existing condition.  Note these building areas
            are tallied under other credit templates, so if the figures
            are close be sure to coordinate your interpretation and
            figures on this point with others on your LEED team.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
              font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
              color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">That’s the impression I’ve
              received between reviewers for a few projects anyway – I’m
              not certain whether this rule is actually in writing
              somewhere to cite.  Perhaps someone else can chime in and
              inform/correct me on this?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
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              color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
              font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
              color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">For future reference, queries
              not specific to eQuest like this might reach more folks
              with answers to contribute via the [bldg.-sim] mailing
              list ;).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
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              color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
              font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
              color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt;
              font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
              color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                src="cid:part1.00060806.04040303@whiteboxtechnologies.com"
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                height="37"></span><b><span style="font-size: 11pt;
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family: "Stylus
                BT","sans-serif"; color: rgb(45, 77,
                94);">NICK CATON, P.E.<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 7.5pt;
              font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
              color: rgb(204, 153, 0);">SENIOR ENGINEER<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
              color: rgb(204, 153, 0);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
              font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
              color: rgb(45, 77, 94);">Smith & Boucher Engineers</span><span
              style="font-size: 7.5pt; color: rgb(204, 153, 0);"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
              color: rgb(45, 77, 94);">25501 west valley parkway, suite
              200<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
              color: rgb(45, 77, 94);">olathe, ks 66061<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
              color: rgb(45, 77, 94);">direct 913.344.0036<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
              color: rgb(45, 77, 94);">fax 913.345.0617<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif";
              color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="www.smithboucher.com"
                title="blocked::www.smithboucher.com"><span
                  style="font-size: 10pt;">www.smithboucher.com</span></a></span><u><span
                style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
                "Calibri","sans-serif"; color:
                blue;">
              </span></u><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
              "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
                  font-family:
                  "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
                style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
                "Tahoma","sans-serif";">
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeff Ross-Bain<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 13, 2013 2:53 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Building rotation around
                the compass<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);">Hi, eQuest Masters– this is my week for easy
            questions (I think):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);">I know that a new stand-alone building gets the
            4-point rotation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);">I know that an existing building project does
            not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);">However, what is the protocol when one has an all
            new addition to an existing building. The new addition under
            consideration doubles the floor area and is registered for
            LEED certification?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);">Rotate or not? My guess is not.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
            "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
            73, 125);">Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
              font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";
              color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 8pt;
                font-family: "Century
                Gothic","sans-serif"; color: rgb(0, 110,
                120);">Jeff Ross-Bain, PE,
              </span></b><span style="font-size: 8pt; font-family:
              "Century Gothic","sans-serif"; color:
              rgb(0, 110, 120);">LEED AP BD+C, BEMP</span><span
              style="font-size: 7.5pt; font-family: "Century
              Gothic","sans-serif"; color: rgb(83, 80,
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              Principal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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