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    True.  I was thinking more on the comparison of insulation
    efficiency.  These buildings as modelled and designed have R-18.5 of
    insulation and the net effect to the envelope is R-10 or less. 
    Comparing this type of a building and our current housing code in
    Canada where glass is limited to 17% of the wall area, R-4+ glass,
    wall insulation of R-28 and roof insulation of R-60 and intense
    scrutiny of thermal breaks, well lets just say they are energy
    pigs.  When you have an R-2 or 3 glass wall a little bit of R-2
    concrete in there doesn't make much difference.  Even if you stick a
    fin out 8' is still doesn't make much difference.<br>
    The research is interesting and quantifies the effect.  It also
    shows current modelling does a reasonable job of reflecting what is
    going on.  But for the building as a whole and the model it can have
    a small impact if it isn't efficiently designed.  The impact of how
    it is modelled has an even smaller impact.  60% of R-20 is
    significant, 60% of R-2 is meaningless and a 3% error in that is
    nothing.<br>
    The big picture is getting lost in all this work.  We are using a
    modelling technique in which a 10% error is considered very
    accurate, a good model.  Many of the early LEED buildings, as built,
    deviated from the models by 100% brand new.  Many others that did ok
    on day one were way out by year 5.  The models weren't the  main
    problem, it was application.  Modelling is expensive.  It seems to
    me that sometimes too much time, effort and money is spent chasing
    less than a percentage point of gain.  There is a science to keeping
    the model efficient as well.  Also, the main way a model is used is
    as a "what if" test platform.  Holding most things constant and
    trying variations.  This reduces error as well.  But if the sealing
    contractor does a poor job and the building takes a 15% hit a little
    bit of R-2 concrete on the envelope doesn't matter very much.<br>
    The science is great, this type of research is very illuminating and
    will drive better design.  The application of our technology, the
    tools we use and how we use them is the biggest variable affecting
    the efficiencies we are trying to achieve.<br>
    Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng.<br>
    Abode Engineering<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/11/2013 10:57 AM, Nathan Miller
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
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            wasn’t saying the effect of exposed slab edges and balconies
            is insignificant. What I was saying is that I don’t see much
            difference in using the thermal performance for those
            assemblies modeled in the report vs. using typical practice
            of just calling balconies and exposed slab edges
            “uninsulated concrete walls” and assigning that default
            U-factor to them (hence you would have about a 1’ high
            uninsulated concrete wall and an 8-9’ high typical opaque
            wall). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#632423">Nathan
                Miller
              </span></b><b><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-</span></b><b><span
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              </span></b><b><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#632423">PE,
                LEED<sup>®</sup>AP BD+C, CEM<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt"><i><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Mechanical
                Engineer/Senior Energy Analyst
                <o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
                Bruce Easterbrook [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:bruce5@bellnet.ca">mailto:bruce5@bellnet.ca</a>]
                <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, November 06, 2013 5:45 AM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Robby Oylear; Nathan Miller<br>
                <b>Cc:</b> David Griffin; Kapil Upadhyaya;
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Slab extending
                through wall<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I would think
          the effect of the balconies would increase the thickness of
          the exterior laminar layer on the building.  The air flow is
          perpendicular to the fins.  In calm conditions the main driver
          is going to be stack effect.  The exposed edges are on a flat
          surface and would have a normal boundary layer.  Without a
          projection they would offer little resistance to the airflow
          from the stack effect.<br>
          A 60% reduction in effective R-value for a building is quite a
          significant effect depending on where you are starting from. 
          A high ratio glass building is a low starting point.<br>
          Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng.<br>
          Abode Engineering<o:p></o:p></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal">On 05/11/2013 05:25 PM, Robby Oylear
            wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">It surprises me that the report
              indicates a better R-value for the fin effect of a
              concrete balcony vs. the simplified exposed slab edge
              approach.  Seems to violate the basic teachings heat
              transfer 101.  I can't think of a logical explanation of
              how that could be the case and would chalk it up to
              intricacies of the modeling tool.  However I agree with
              Nathan that since the report doesn't show nearly any
              difference between the fin effect vs. the exposed slab
              edge that it's not necessarily worth the complication in
              modeling unless the balcony slabs are the focus of the
              study.<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 2:00 PM,
                Nathan Miller <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:nathanm@rushingco.com" target="_blank">nathanm@rushingco.com</a>>
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        style="color:#1F497D">Kapil,
                      </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        style="color:#1F497D">No, I am only accounting
                        for the “face” of the balcony, as if you sheared
                        it off at the plane of the wall.
                      </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                    <p class="MsoNormal"
                      style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                        style="color:#1F497D">That is my point, the
                        fancy thermal modeling in the report, which is
                        supposed to account multi-dimensional
                        fin-effects doesn’t come out with much different
                        result than if you just take a simplified
                        approach like a typical UA-trade-off calculation
                        (one directional heat transfer, no fin effects
                        accounted for). So by that line of reasoning,
                        you would likely be OVER ESTIMATING heat loss if
                        you throw in all three heat-exchanger surfaces
                        that you mention in your methodology. I’d be
                        interested if you compared your calculation
                        results to the thermal modeling in the report if
                        you feel like a little intellectual exercise.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#632423">Nathan
                              Miller
                            </span></b><b><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#632423">
                            </span></b><b><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#632423">PE,
                              LEED<sup>®</sup>AP BD+C, CEM</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:4.0pt"><i><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Mechanical
                              Engineer/Senior Energy Analyst
                            </span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:115%"><b><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#632423">RUSHING</span></b><span
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
                          Kapil Upadhyaya [mailto:<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:KapilU@kirksey.com"
                            target="_blank">KapilU@kirksey.com</a>]
                          <br>
                          <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 05, 2013 1:53
                          PM<br>
                          <b>To:</b> Nathan Miller; Bishop, Bill; David
                          Griffin; 'Coleman, Kevin'; <a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org"
                            target="_blank">
                            equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
                          <b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Slab
                          extending through wall<o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Nathan,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">In
                            the Balcony calculation, are you accounting
                            for both the 'edges' and 'exposed area' of
                            the balcony ?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">In
                            my opinion, a concrete balcony should be
                            accounted for as a heat exchanger with 3
                            surfaces (perimeter edges, upper surface,
                            lower surface); it looks like you are only
                            accounting for the edges. </span>
                          <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I
                            had a 'heated' discussion about this with a
                            vendor recently and the above is more or
                            less a conclusion of that. Some of the
                            structural thermal break products can be too
                            expensive to justify based on energy
                            savings, if area of balconies is not
                            accounted for; the bigger your balcony, the
                            better your payback from thermal breaks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Kapil
                                Upadhyaya, LEED AP</span></b><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><br>
                              Associate</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red">Kirksey</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red"> |</span><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> Architecture<br>
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                                target="_blank">kapilu@kirksey.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray">2012-2013
                                Firm of the Year </span></b><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray"><br>
                              Texas Society of Architects</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <div>
                          <div style="border:none;border-top:solid
                            #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                                Nathan Miller [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:nathanm@rushingco.com"
                                  target="_blank">mailto:nathanm@rushingco.com</a>]
                                <br>
                                <b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 04, 2013
                                5:27 PM<br>
                                <b>To:</b> Bishop, Bill; David Griffin;
                                'Coleman, Kevin'; <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org"
                                  target="_blank">
                                  equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
                                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Slab
                                extending through wall</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D">To me the most
                            interesting part of the report isn’t the
                            conclusion that thermally broken balconies
                            and slab edges give significantly better
                            thermal performance (we all know that
                            intuitively). Instead it gives a way of back
                            checking what I would consider to be
                            “standard practice” for calculating
                            area-weighted U-factor for these same
                            assemblies using default ASHRAE U-values to
                            sophisticated thermal model results. Here
                            are my thoughts, checking my calcs and
                            comments appreciated.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
                              style="color:#1F497D">Executive summary:
                              It looks like our standard assembly
                              performance tables and area-weighted
                              U-factor calculations get us “close
                              enough” to the results from this report
                              that it doesn’t seem to suggest we should
                              switch methodologies.
                            </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
                              style="color:#1F497D"> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
                              style="color:#1F497D">Comparison
                              calculation for steel-framed walls (stud
                              insulation + exterior rigid):</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D;background:yellow">For
                            a 16” OC metal stud wall, R-12 Batt cavity
                            insulation and R-5 continuous rigid
                            insulation, the report states that the
                            Effective R-value for the wall + slab will
                            be R-7.4.</span><span style="color:#1F497D">
                            This is based on 8’8” floor-to-floor, and 8”
                            slab.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D">Using ASHRAE 90.1-2007
                            Table A3.3 for steel framed walls, we would
                            get an effective U-factor for the wall
                            portion of U = 0.0785 (interpolating between
                            the R-13 + R-11 batt values). If we use
                            Table A3.1A for the exposed slab edge
                            (assuming 8” normal weight solid concrete
                            walls), we get a U-factor of U = 0.740 for
                            the slab edge.
                          </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D;background:yellow">Doing
                            an area weighted U-factor calc</span><span
                            style="color:#1F497D">: U<sub>eff</sub> = U<sub>1</sub>*A<sub>1</sub>+U<sub>2</sub>*A<sub>2</sub>/(A<sub>1</sub>+A<sub>2</sub>)
                            or in this case, factoring out the Length of
                            the wall section we use: U<sub>1</sub>*H<sub>1</sub>+U<sub>2</sub>*H<sub>2</sub>/(H<sub>1</sub>+H<sub>2</sub>)
                            = (0.0785*8 + 0.740*8/12)/(8+8/12) = 0.1294
                            or an
                            <span style="background:yellow">effective
                              R-value of 7.73, which is pretty close to
                              the R-7.4 claimed, a difference of about
                              4% in U-value</span>. Maybe I’m cynical,
                            but to me that seems close enough.
                          </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D">I only spot checked
                            this assembly, so maybe there is more impact
                            with different construction types.
                          </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D">Another interesting
                            tid-bit: Apparently the much vaunted
                            fin-effect is actually pretty minimal. If
                            you look at the results of the exposed
                            slab-edge condition vs the full balcony
                            fin-effect, the balcony scenario actually
                            shows slightly BETTER thermal performance.
                            Odd.
                            <br>
                            <img id="_x0000_i1025"
                              src="cid:part14.06040904.02030304@bellnet.ca"
                              border="0" height="206" width="949"><br>
                            <img id="_x0000_i1026"
                              src="cid:part15.00090904.03090300@bellnet.ca"
                              border="0" height="165" width="957"></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#632423">Nathan
                                Miller
                              </span></b><b><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#632423">
                              </span></b><b><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#632423">PE,
                                LEED<sup>®</sup>AP BD+C, CEM</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:4.0pt"><i><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Mechanical
                                Engineer/Senior Energy Analyst
                              </span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:115%"><b><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#632423">RUSHING</span></b><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#BFAB7F">
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:115%"><b><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#6F1200"><a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://www.rushingco.com/"
                                  target="_blank"><span
                                    style="color:#6F1200">www.rushingco.com</span></a></span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <div style="border:none;border-top:solid
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b>
                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
                                target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
                              [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
                                target="_blank">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
                              <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bishop, Bill<br>
                              <b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 04, 2013
                              1:42 PM<br>
                              <b>To:</b> David Griffin; 'Coleman,
                              Kevin'; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org"
                                target="_blank">
                                equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
                              <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Slab
                              extending through wall<o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D">Here’s a timely report
                            on effective R-values of assemblies with
                            slab/balcony thermal bridges:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D"><a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.rdhbe.com/database/files/library/Balcony_and_Slab_Edge_Thermal_Bridges___1___R_values_and_Energy_Code_Canada__Sept_24_13.pdf"
                              target="_blank">The Importance of Slab
                              Edge and Balcony Thermal Bridges</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D">Bill</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <div>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"
                            style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
                                style="font-size:10.0pt">William Bishop,
                                PE, BEMP, BEAP, LEED AP | Pathfinder
                                Engineers & Architects LLP</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
                        </div>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal"
                                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Senior
                                      Energy Engineer</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
                              </td>
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                                style="width:114.45pt;padding:0in 5.4pt
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                                    South Fitzhugh Street</span><span
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                                  </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Rochester,
                                    NY 14608</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">T:
                                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="tel:%28585%29%20325-6004"
                                      target="_blank">(585) 325-6004</a>
                                  </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Ext.
                                    114</span>           
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">F:
                                    <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="tel:%28585%29%20325-6005"
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                                      (585) 325-6005</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">www.pathfinder-ea.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:green">P</span><span
                                    style="font-size:14.0pt">  
                                  </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt">Sustainability
                                    – the forest AND the trees.</span><span
style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:green">
                                  </span><span
                                    style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:green">P</span><span
                                    style="font-size:14.0pt;color:green">      </span><span
style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:green">
                                  </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
                            style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
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                                [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
                                  target="_blank">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
                                <b>On Behalf Of </b>David Griffin<br>
                                <b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 04, 2013
                                4:20 PM<br>
                                <b>To:</b> 'Coleman, Kevin'; <a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org"
                                  target="_blank">
                                  equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
                                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Slab
                                extending through wall</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#17365D">Kevin,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#17365D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#17365D">I’m
                            fairly sure eQUEST is not even going to
                            closely approximate the heat loss/gain
                            accurately unless you dial the loads in
                            manually which means you have to calculate
                            them by hand first. I suggest referring to
                            ASHRAE-D-RP-1365 for guidance on estimating
                            the loads. The section you are interested in
                            starts on page 35.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#17365D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <div>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#17365D">Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#17365D"> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.5pt"><b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#17365D">David
                                  W. Griffin II</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.5pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#17365D">Energy
                                Analyst</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.5pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#17365D">ETC
                                Group, LLC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.5pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#17365D"><a
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                                  href="tel:801-278-1927%20x%20128"
                                  target="_blank">801-278-1927 x 128</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.5pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#17365D">Cell
                                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="tel:480-736-2945"
                                  target="_blank">
                                  480-736-2945</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.5pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#17365D"><a
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                                  href="mailto:dgriffin@etcgrp.com"
                                  target="_blank">dgriffin@etcgrp.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.5pt"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#17365D"><a
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://www.etcgrp.com"
                                  target="_blank">www.etcgrp.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#17365D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#17365D"><img
                                  id="_x0000_i1028"
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                                  border="0" height="27" width="112"></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.5pt"><b><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#17365D">Energy
                                  Engineering for a Sustainable Future</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:4.5pt"><span
style="font-size:6.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">1997
                                South 1100 East, Salt Lake City, UT
                                84106-4471
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                              style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                                Coleman, Kevin [<a
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                                  href="mailto:kcoleman@nexant.com"
                                  target="_blank">mailto:kcoleman@nexant.com</a>]
                                <br>
                                <b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 04, 2013
                                11:56 AM<br>
                                <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org"
                                  target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
                                <b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Slab
                                extending through wall</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
                          am evaluating a new 10-story hotel design that
                          is proposing glass curtain walls and
                          pre-tensioned concrete floors that project
                          beyond the walls. On 3 sides the projections
                          are minimal (6 inches). However, on one side,
                          the projections extend about 3 ft. <o:p>
                          </o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">For
                          the small projections, I intent to use the
                          following method recommended in the thread
                          below. “In screen 4 of 25 of the DD shell
                          wizard you can specify "Slab Penetrates Wall
                          Plane" (check box).”<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
                          am interested in any tips for modeling the
                          thermal impacts of the larger projections.
                          Thoughts? (I plan to use window shading for
                          the light/shading impacts.)<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I
                          am hopeful that the analysis will help
                          convince the design team to incorporate some
                          insulation and thermal breaks!<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks
                          in advance!<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Kevin<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Brian
                          Fountain bfountain at
                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://greensim.com" target="_blank">greensim.com</a>
                          <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Mon
                          Dec 6 11:45:18 PST 2010<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Previous
                          message: [Equest-users] balcony<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Next
                          message: [Equest-users] Shading<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Messages
                          sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [
                          author ]<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">In
                          screen 4 of 25 of the DD shell wizard you can
                          specify "Slab
                          <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Penetrates
                          Wall Plane" (check box).  If you do, eQUEST
                          created a new
                          <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">wall
                          type of height equal to your slab thickness
                          and composed of 1' of
                          <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">concrete
                          plus any slab edge insulation you specify on
                          the same wiz
                          <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">screen.  
                          That provides a parallel path for the heat
                          transfer from the
                          <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">balcony
                          or slab edge.  Not exactly 2D heat transfer
                          modelling -- but at
                          <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">least
                          you aren't ignoring the effect of the slab
                          edge or balcony.<o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
                          style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
                        <p class="MsoNormal"
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style="font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D">Kevin
                              Coleman, CEM, LEED AP</span></b><span
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#999999">■</span><span
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                              style="font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#1F497D">Nexant,
                              Inc.</span></b><b><span
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#999999">■</span></b><b><span
style="font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#999999"> Demand
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                            style="color:#999999">1232 Fourier Drive,
                            Suite 125</span><span style="color:#000066">
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                          </span><span style="color:green">Please
                            consider the environment before printing
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