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    <font size="+1">Hig<font size="+1">h efficiency filters increase
        costs in many ways,<font size="+1"> </font>not</font></font><font
      size="+1"><font size="+1"><font size="+1"><font size="+1"> just </font></font>in
        initial cost<font size="+1">.  Outside air i<font size="+1">s</font>
          expensive too.  These<font size="+1"> </font></font></font></font><font
      size="+1"><font size="+1"><font size="+1">filters </font></font></font><font
      size="+1"><font size="+1"><font size="+1"><font size="+1"><font
              size="+1"><font size="+1"><font size="+1"><font size="+1"><font
                      size="+1">can </font></font></font></font></font></font>start
          with a loss of 1/2" clean, and to load them and get your
          moneys worth, you will be over 1" SP easy.  Tough to do with
          an<font size="+1"> FC fan.  They also push them for
            residential furnaces which would be l<font size="+1">ucky to
              do a 1/2" TSP brand ne<font size="+1">w.  Everything is a
                trade-off.  That is why we model, to find the most
                efficient design for a certain circ<font size="+1">umstance
                  and purpose<font size="+1"> and there by the most
                    economical design<font size="+1"> to buy and run. 
                      Also the change out point is very important too<font
                        size="+1"> with our high<font size="+1">er
                          energy costs.  Possibly a MERV 7 <font
                            size="+1">or 8 pre as well<font size="+1">,
                              magnehelic's </font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font>for
          each bank.  <font size="+1">And after all that beautiful
            engineering they put an R-2 glass shell aroun<font size="+1">d
              it, lol<font size="+1">, <font size="+1">p</font>latinum!</font></font></font> 
          Sorry I got carried away.  Then the bui<font size="+1">lding
            manager changes them out at 2"<font size="+1"> because they
              are $30/SF.  We do our best.</font></font><br>
          <font size="+1">Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng.<br>
            <font size="+1">Abode Engineering.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/10/2013 10:49 AM, jacob goodman
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      <div dir="ltr">Yea, my LEED points just went from 13 to
        6...architect will not be happy. </div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 8:34 AM, jacob
          goodman <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:jacobgoodman22@gmail.com" target="_blank">jacobgoodman22@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">Thanks for the help Bill, that makes it look
              far more reasonable.</div>
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                <div class="im">On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Bishop,
                  Bill <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:bbishop@pathfinder-ea.com"
                      target="_blank">bbishop@pathfinder-ea.com</a>></span>
                  wrote:<br>
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                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Jacob,</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">You
                              need to modify your bhp equation. You
                              don’t just add the 0.5” - you calculate
                              “A” per the equation on Table 6.5.3.1.1A.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Regards,</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Bill</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Franklin
                                Gothic
                                Medium","sans-serif"">William
                                Bishop, PE, BEMP, BEAP, LEED AP
                              </span></b><b><span
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                                style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Franklin
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                                Pathfinder Engineers & Architects
                                LLP</span></b></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Senior
                              Energy Engineer</span></p>
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style="font-size:5.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span></p>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">134
                              South Fitzhugh Street</span><span
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                            </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Rochester,
                              NY 14608</span></p>
                          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">T:
                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="tel:%28585%29%20325-6004"
                                value="+15853256004" target="_blank">(585)
                                325-6004</a>
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style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Ext.
                              114</span><span style="color:#1f497d">           
                            </span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">F:
                              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="tel:%28585%29%20325-6005"
                                value="+15853256005" target="_blank">(585)
                                325-6005</a></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com"
                                target="_blank"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">bbishop@pathfinder-ea.com</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">          
                            </span><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><a
                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://www.pathfinder-ea.com/"
                                target="_blank"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">www.pathfinder-ea.com</span></a></span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""></span></p>
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                              style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:green">P</span><span
                              style="font-size:14.0pt;color:green">  
                            </span><span
                              style="font-size:7.5pt;color:green">Sustainability
                              – the forest AND the trees.</span><span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
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                                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"
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                                [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                                  target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
                                <b>On Behalf Of </b>jacob goodman<br>
                                <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 08, 2013
                                10:18 AM<br>
                                <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org"
                                  target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
                                <b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Basline
                                fan power (again...)</span></p>
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                                <p class="MsoNormal">Dear Community, </p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">I'm working on a
                                    baseline system fan power
                                    calculation and am getting some
                                    absurdly high baseline fan powers,
                                    but I can't see where I'm going
                                    wrong. See attached calculations.</p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">To start, the
                                    baseline model contains one system
                                    per thermal zone since it is the P<b>SZ</b>-AC
                                    type these are named after the VAV
                                    terminals or thermal zone in the
                                    proposed model. Since the building
                                    and corresponding thermal zones are
                                    small the the pressure drop
                                    adjustment from the MERV 13 filter
                                    on the proposed system seems to make
                                    a huge difference in the resulting
                                    fan powers. </p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">By inputting the
                                    kW/CFM values my baseline heating
                                    system does almost nothing. Also, I
                                    don't think putting a portion of the
                                    power in the exhaust stream would
                                    get rid of the problem completely,
                                    but that is one thing I havn't
                                    tried.</p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!!!!</p>
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                                  <p class="MsoNormal">Jacob</p>
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