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<font size="+1">The tricks we have to play sometimes to get what we
want. Sh<font size="+1">eila, s<font size="+1">ounds like you
have been pushing eQuest to the max. I have run into this 3D
problem many times and it seems I have been lucky not to have
had to have gone to the lengths you have to recover a file.
Typically I save the file, save a copy as well, and exit the
program. Sometimes I will also shut my computer down and
reboot. So far I have always got the 3D back, it seems to
open on the original se<font size="+1">ttings before I started
playing with rotations and zooms.<br>
<font size="+1">That s<font size="+1">aid I have also come a<font
size="+1">cross the situation you des<font size="+1">cribe
in your "future p<font size="+1">revention"<font
size="+1">. I have never figured out why
either. I do know that when I do a ton of
editing without saving and <font size="+1">reopening
eQuest I so<font size="+1">metimes lo<font
size="+1">se major chunks of work, or it
crashes and I lose it all. So for new<font
size="+1"> users, make copious sa<font
size="+1">ves under new file names and
don't do too much editing w<font
size="+1">ithout <font size="+1">actual
saves. Don't do too many saves
without exiting eQuest and
restarting it. It only takes a
minute or <font size="+1">2 but
believe me<font size="+1"> it
sure beats losing hours of
work in a flash. Y<font
size="+1">ou can always
delete th<font size="+1">ese
files later if everything
flies. <font size="+1">eQuest
or windows seems to
choke when you get too
much in <font size="+1">RAM.<br>
<font size="+1">So
Juan I would
recommend Adam's
solution first, I
have done that and
it has worked. T<font
size="+1">ry mine
next. Then Sh<font
size="+1">eila's.
Then Nicks. But
as <font
size="+1">Nick
says, before
you do
anything make
a backup,
rename your
file and save
it to another
name. You
don't want to
go further in
the hole. <font
size="+1">Whatever
you try do it
on a copy!<br>
<font
size="+1">Nick<font
size="+1">,
myself and
others have
had some
discussion on
this in the
archives, more
under equest
freezing, but
I believe part
of this is
part of the
way the <font
size="+1">RAM
is being
used. The 3D
problem I
thought was a
little
different, but
Sh<font
size="+1">eila
could be
right, it
could be the
RAM or a
combination.
Image manipu<font
size="+1">lation
takes a lot of
processing
power. e<font
size="+1">Q</font>uest
is an old
program that I
originally ran
on 98SE with
756k and a
tiny video
processor, <font
size="+1">then
XP with 4Gb
ram, dual
screens, dual
video cards
with 1 Gb ram
each, and now
W7 on a laptop
with the
processo<font
size="+1">rs
on the same
chip, 4 Gb <font
size="+1">RAM</font>.
Doesn't seem
to make a
difference, I
still run into
this problem<font
size="+1">
occasionally.
So after a <font
size="+1">couple</font>
extremely hard
lessons on
98SE</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font>,
it is copious saves that will save
your bacon. I do what Sheila does<font
size="+1">, though I haven't tried
her final solution yet. Good luck.<br>
<font size="+1">Almost got beat for
this email, <font size="+1">got
the never ending "attaching"
loop on Thunderbird. That was
supposedly fixed ages ago. <font
size="+1">Good thing I have
seen that before, lol. No
better th<font size="+1">an a
pair of <font size="+1">pliers
and it sure sucks when you
pinch your finger in them.</font>
</font></font></font></font><br>
</font></font></font> <font size="+1">Bruce
Easterbrook P.Eng.<br>
<font size="+1">Abode Engineering</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 08/10/2013 6:58 PM, Sheila Sagerer
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Good evening
Everyone,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The following
procedure usually solves the problem without fooling with
the .pd2 file:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Create a brand
new project in the wizard. It does not matter what the new
project looks like or what info is in it. The new project
can be all defaults!!! Just MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE CORRECT
WEATHER FILE!!! Once the wizard has created the new
project, change the project from wizard mode to detailed
mode. Save the project with a new name. Close the project.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">In Windows
Explorer, open the .inp file for the project which has lost
the 3D view in Wordpad. Under the Edit tab, Select all and
copy. Then open the newly created .inp file as a text file
also in Wordpad , select all, and paste the original project
data into the newly created .inp file; i.e. overwrite the
entire file. Save the .inp file. Close, then open the new
file in eQuest. The 3D picture should be there. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#1F497D">For future
prevention:<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The main issue
which results in a lost 3D usually occurs in large projects
when a lot of editing is taking place. I am not exactly
sure why, but I think it occurs when the RAM is used up.
eQuest will use every bit of RAM available on your
computer!!! As a result, I make a habit of SAVING every 5
minutes in large projects, and rebooting every hour or so.
If the 3D picture disappears, IMMEDIATELY close eQuest
WITHOUT SAVING! If you save, you will lose the 3D. If you
have not saved, reboot your computer, reopen the project,
and the 3D is usually there, but you will have lost any
edits made since the last save. It’s a toss-up: either save
the 3D or save the most recent edits…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Good luck and
have a nice evening.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif";color:green">Sheila Sagerer<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif";color:green">Energy
Engineer, EIT, LEED AP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif";color:green">Energy
Opportunities, Inc, a 7group company<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif";color:green">Phone:
717-880-9069<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif";color:#76923C"><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.sevengroup.com/"><span
style="color:blue">www.sevengroup.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Nick Caton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 08, 2013 6:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Juan Carlos Lopez; 'Adam Towell';
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>; 'Thulasi Ram'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] 3-D Geometry Lost<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Want to try
something new, and possibly a little dangerous?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">(that’s one way
of saying save a separate copy of the project before
proceeding)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">If you have a
copy of the project files where the 3D view is still
working, you could try opening that file up, navigating to
the (working) 3D view, then double click the top item of the
component tree to view these “camera” view details:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><img id="Picture_x0020_2"
src="cid:part2.07050300.05010305@bellnet.ca" width="756"
height="498" border="0"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Keeping this
window open for reference, open the .pd2 file of the
“problem” project in notepad (keep a separate copy!), and
try editing the 6 consecutive lines in the beginning section
which specify the view properties:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><img id="Picture_x0020_3"
src="cid:part3.09020305.01080808@bellnet.ca" width="662"
height="411" border="0"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">After editing
to match, save, close, cross your fingers, and try opening
with eQuest… Good luck!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">If all else
fails, our forefathers in energy modeling got by without
fancy-schmancy 3D visuals, walked uphill both ways to school
and liked it too (or so I gather)! <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Mildly
interesting: I’m finding with a little toying around here
that you can effect new 3D views that wouldn’t otherwise be
possible with the rotate and zoom features by messing with
these pd2 values… mostly with confusing or
less-than-practical results however so far…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Stylus
BT","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E">NICK
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title="blocked::www.smithboucher.com"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:blue">www.smithboucher.com</span></a></span><u><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:blue"> </span></u><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Juan Carlos Lopez<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 08, 2013 4:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Adam Towell'; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>;
'Thulasi Ram'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] 3-D Geometry Lost<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">No, I still
can’t see the 3D. it is appearing like this after make a
simulation and right click and try to reset camera.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-MX"><img id="_x0000_i1028"
src="cid:part9.08050103.00010304@bellnet.ca" width="1001"
height="801" border="0"></span><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thanks <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="ES-MX"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5B655E"
lang="ES-MX">Juan Carlos López<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5B655E"
lang="ES-MX">Ing. De Modelaje Energético<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5B655E">Tel
/ Fax: +52(55)52536030 ext. 304<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5B655E"
lang="ES-MX"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.ibe-mexico.com.mx/"><span
style="color:blue" lang="EN-US">www.ibe-mexico.com.mx</span></a></span><span
style="color:#5B655E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#15345B" lang="ES-MX"><img
id="_x0000_i1029"
src="cid:part11.00070604.09010504@bellnet.ca" alt="ibe"
width="77" height="57" border="0"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#15345B" lang="ES-MX"><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="ES-MX"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="ES">De:</span></b><span
lang="ES"> Adam Towell [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:atowell@cxegroup.com">mailto:atowell@cxegroup.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 8 de octubre de 2013 03:47 p.
m.<br>
<b>Para:</b> Juan Carlos Lopez; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Asunto:</b> RE: [Equest-users] 3-D Geometry Lost<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-MX"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Juan, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Try right
clicking and select “Reset Camera.” Then click on one of the
other tabs of the program (Internal Loads, Water-Side HVAC,
etc.), then go back to your Building Shell. Your 3D geometry
should reappear.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hope this
helps!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">-Adam Towell</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Juan Carlos Lopez<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 08, 2013 3:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] 3-D Geometry Lost<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-MX">Dear All</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-MX"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I was working on a multifamily high rise
building and suddenly the 3-D Geometry disappear, I don-t know
where to find it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Do you know how to solve this?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I open other projects and the geometry is
still there.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-MX"><img id="Imagen_x0020_2"
src="cid:part17.09090804.08010700@bellnet.ca" width="783"
height="627" border="0"></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#5B655E"
lang="ES-MX">Juan Carlos López</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#15345B" lang="ES-MX"><img
id="Imagen_x0020_1"
src="cid:part11.00070604.09010504@bellnet.ca" alt="ibe"
width="77" height="57" border="0"></span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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Roman","serif"" lang="ES-MX">Se certificó que
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Versión: 2013.0.3408 / Base de datos de virus: 3222/6733 -
Fecha de la versión: 08/10/2013<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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