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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As a word of caution, I tried going down that road before and ended up not being able to use the E+ curves. The parameters from a bi-quadratic equation in metric units cannot be used in eQuest. As Brendan mentioned, you would have to convert to Fahrenheit. I would imagine this would require backing out the parameters necessary to construct a curve from the metric equations, converting to US units, then reconstructing a curve. I don’t know this for a fact though.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jeremy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Myriad Web Pro";color:gray'>___________________________________________</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F'>Jeremy McClanathan</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray'>,</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray'> P.E., BEMP, HFDP,</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray'> </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray'>LEED<sup>®</sup> AP</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:9.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F'><img width=98 height=15 id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CEB522.3FED12A0" alt="CDi_Engineers_logo_color.jpg"></span></b><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:olive'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray'>19203 36th Avenue W, Suite 200, Lynnwood, WA 98036</span><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:olive'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray'>P 425-672-1071 | F 425-778-8769 </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Webdings;color:#99CC00'>P</span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:#99CC00'> </span><i><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#99CC00'>Please consider the environment before printing this email.</span></i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Hall, Brendan [mailto:BHall@karpinskieng.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:14 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jeremy McClanathan; 'Sunil Nair'; 'David Eldridge'<br><b>Cc:</b> 'equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org'<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Question: Modeling Specific Chillers<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>In general, there is also a database of chiller curves that is provided for energyplus that I believe are also valie for eQuest if you convert them into Fahrenheit temperatures. If the one in questions happens to be on that list it could be helpful. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://simulationresearch.lbl.gov/modelica/releases/latest/help/Buildings_Fluid_Chillers_Data_ElectricEIR.html">http://simulationresearch.lbl.gov/modelica/releases/latest/help/Buildings_Fluid_Chillers_Data_ElectricEIR.html</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Brendan Hall<span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jeremy McClanathan<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 19, 2013 12:58 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Sunil Nair'; 'David Eldridge'<br><b>Cc:</b> 'equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org'<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Question: Modeling Specific Chillers<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hello Sunil,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It sounds like the manufacturer may be trying to get you a capacity for a given set of condenser and evaporator temperatures. What you need is the manufacturer to tell you what the full load (and part load) capacities of the machine are with the lift conditions you specified. So, for higher lift conditions, the machine will have lower capacities. He doesn’t need to match the capacity you selected the chiller at to all the lift conditions you specify.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If it helps, the spreadsheet I use to generate custom chiller curves can be downloaded from here:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.esimforums.com/equest/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=116&start=0&view=viewpoll">http://www.esimforums.com/equest/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=116&start=0&view=viewpoll</a><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Jeremy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Myriad Web Pro";color:gray'>___________________________________________</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F'>Jeremy McClanathan</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray'>,</span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray'> P.E., BEMP, HFDP,</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray'> </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray'>LEED<sup>®</sup> AP</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:9.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#5F5F5F'><img border=0 width=98 height=15 id="Picture_x0020_8" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CEB522.3FED12A0" alt="CDi_Engineers_logo_color.jpg"></span></b><b><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:olive'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray'>19203 36th Avenue W, Suite 200, Lynnwood, WA 98036</span><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:olive'><o:p></o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray'>P 425-672-1071 | F 425-778-8769 </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:Webdings;color:#99CC00'>P</span><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Webdings;color:#99CC00'> </span><i><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#99CC00'>Please consider the environment before printing this email.</span></i><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Sunil Nair [<a href="mailto:energymodel.sunil@gmail.com">mailto:energymodel.sunil@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:55 PM<br><b>To:</b> David Eldridge<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Question: Modeling Specific Chillers<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think I am hitting a roadblock here, trying to get the necessary data to model the chillers. I have gone through the EDR document on simulating HVAC systems and other posts on modeling chillers here on the mailing list. I think I can get the part load data from the manufacturer.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Trying to get the full load data has been difficult though. The chiller manufacturer tells me that if I want the full load capacity at reduced condenser entering and/or higher evaporator leaving temperatures, he can only provide up to about 5% higher capacity than design capacity. Beyond this he will need to change the expansion device in his selection software to get the total capacity. I don't believe changing the expansion device is the right way to go.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I have attached a sample data sheet with various data points that I thought I should get from the manufacturers. The data points I have in the sheet are what will be practically seen in operation here. However they are all lower than the design temperatures of the chiller. I'm not sure if I am going in the right direction with this one.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Any inputs are appreciated.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sunil Nair<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p><b><span style='color:#1F497D'>Ab Initio</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='color:#1F497D'>TMA House, Plot No. 6, 2nd Floor,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='color:#1F497D'>Main Road, Wagle Industrial Area,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thane (West) - 400 604</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='color:#1F497D'>Ph: +91-22 - 3243 7023</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='color:#1F497D'>Cell: +91-8879595123</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>web: <a href="http://www.abinitio.co.in/" target="_blank"><span style='color:#0066CC'>www.abinitio.co.in</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 7:25 PM, David Eldridge <<a href="mailto:DEldridge@grummanbutkus.com" target="_blank">DEldridge@grummanbutkus.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You should be able to look at the manufacturer data plotted vs ECWT and load and determine if a single set of curves (one modeled chiller) or two are needed to accurately model power usage by the chiller over the range of load. (if you can get the data)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span></u><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>David S. Eldridge, Jr., P.E., LEED AP BD+C, BEMP, BEAP, HBDP</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#244061'>Grumman/Butkus Associates</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span></u><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Sunil Nair [mailto:<a href="mailto:energymodel.sunil@gmail.com" target="_blank">energymodel.sunil@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 15, 2013 11:40 PM<br><b>To:</b> Busman, Michael R<br><b>Cc:</b> David Eldridge; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Question: Modeling Specific Chillers<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Dave and Mike,<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Thanks for your inputs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Mike,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Yes, I am referring to the multistage chiller where the liquid is flashed to the inlet of the second stage impeller. As you have mentioned this process is internal to the chiller.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>My thought initially was I may have to model multiple compressors per circuit for a chiller without VFD. I did not find this option in eQUEST. As I think about it now, my case would be quite different from having multiple compressors per circuit.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I am in the process of obtaining data points for the chiller from the manufacturer so I can input the data points into eQUEST.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I'll keep this thread updated.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Sincerely,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sunil Nair<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='color:#1F497D'>Ab Initio</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>TMA House, Plot No. 6, 2nd Floor,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Main Road, Wagle Industrial Area,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thane (West) - 400 604</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Ph: +91-22 - 3243 7023</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#1F497D'>Cell: +91-8879595123</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>web: <a href="http://www.abinitio.co.in" target="_blank">www.abinitio.co.in</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Busman, Michael R <<a href="mailto:MBusman@chevron.com" target="_blank">MBusman@chevron.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Sunil,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My understanding of an economizer for a multi-stage centrifugal is that some of the liquid refrigerant flashes as it passes through the expansion device. This flash gas, I believe is introduced to the input side of the second stage impeller. Since the economizer is internal to the chiller, one set of curves should be sufficient as there is only one mode of operation as I understand it. You didn’t specify, so I’m assuming you are not referring to a water-side economizer.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I haven’t custom defined a chiller yet in eQUEST, however, it appears that several performance data points from the manufacturer are required for eQUEST to generate the curves if you select this method. The other is to generate your own curves. Many years ago when I used to work in VisualDOE, I found the calculation methodology to define chiller curves from the Pacific Gas & Electric web site, which I used to set up a spreadsheet to calculate the curve coefficients. This was originally set up for constant speed chillers. A number of months ago I added a spreadsheet tab to handle variable speed chillers. To create the 3 sets of curve coefficients, at least 10 full load data points at different chilled and condenser water temperatures were required from the manufacturer in order to map the compressor. There was no max or min limit for the part-load data points as I recall.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>If you’d like a copy of the spreadsheet, I can email it to you, however, you might want to check the eQUEST manual or DOE-2.2 reference manuals regarding directly entering data points into eQUEST and let the program figure out the curves for you.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My best,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mike Busman</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Michael R. 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The chiller in question is a centrifugal chiller running on R123 with an economizer installed to it. Do I just need to get data from the chiller manufacturer and input the curves into the model? Is this the right way to go?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>2) How do you model multi stage centrifugal chillers without VFD's?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Sunil Nair<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Ab Initio</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>TMA House, Plot No. 6, 2nd Floor,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Main Road, Wagle Industrial Area,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thane (West) - 400 604</span><o:p></o:p></p><p style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.abinitio.co.in/" target="_blank"><span style='color:black'>www.abinitio.co.in</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>_______________________________________________<br>Equest-users mailing list<br><a href="http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding.org" target="_blank">http://lists.onebuilding.org/listinfo.cgi/equest-users-onebuilding.org</a><br>To unsubscribe from this mailing list send a blank message to <a href="mailto:EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG" target="_blank">EQUEST-USERS-UNSUBSCRIBE@ONEBUILDING.ORG</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=213627c8-4c7d-442d-8937-ea16286500aa> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=213627c8-4c7d-442d-8937-ea16286500aa><span style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'><br>This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential, proprietary, and/or privileged information, as well as content subject to copyright and other intellectual laws. 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