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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Vipul,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regarding your original question of how to model the systems, perhaps, you could consider the corridor loads as part of the apartments. Fixed lighting for the
corridors could be assigned along with apartment lighting with an hourly schedule. O.A. and motor power assigned to the apartment systems?? I’d need to give it some thought.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If the design isn’t cast in concrete yet, how’s this for a potentially less expensive design to accomplish a similar result? This assumes the corridor supply
units and exhaust fans are in fairly close proximity to each other, which they might be if you’re looking at a heat wheel. In a different life long ago I spent 17 years with Hilton Hotels. At two older properties in TX we had similar corridor supply units
where the conditioned OA went under the guestroom doors as toilet exhaust make up. The rooms had fan coil units. If you looked at all the rooms, most of the time the toilet exhaust was good, clean air. We petitioned and got approval (there were precedents
set by other companies also) from the building departments to duct the exhaust back to the supply units and created a return air system. We added smoke detectors and dampers to satisfy the fire/life safety folks. We also used activated carbon or Purafil</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">®</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">
filters to clean up the returned air. We were also prepared to add ultraviolet lamps if necessary to satisfy any health concerns, but they weren’t necessary with the filtration we used. We were able to go from 100% OA to about 15%-20% OA, which in addition
to the energy savings can make a difference in required plant capacity if you also need to address the central plant. The Marriott Marquis in Atlanta, which opened about 1980 was originally designed with a similar system, so there have been precedents. Since
times have changed, an analysis of the capital & maintenance costs of the systems (heat wheel vs. filtration) would probably be appropriate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Vipul Babriya<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 13, 2013 8:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> bruce5@bellnet.ca<br>
<b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org; wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Fwd: heat recovery and zone exhaust<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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The project is located in NYC, and the DOB has already been approved the design. The intent is to recover the conditioned air from apartment and use it to preheat the 100% OA that will be supplied to Corridors using heat recovery wheel.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Vipul<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Bruce Easterbrook <<a href="mailto:bruce5@bellnet.ca">bruce5@bellnet.ca</a>><br>
To: Vipul Babriya <<a href="mailto:vipulbabriya@aol.com">vipulbabriya@aol.com</a>><br>
Cc: wbishop <<a href="mailto:wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com">wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com</a>>; JHANSEN <<a href="mailto:JHANSEN@ghtltd.com">JHANSEN@ghtltd.com</a>>; equest-users <<a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I don't think building codes will allow you to do that, not easily anyway. An Ontario/Canada perspective though. Each of the apartments
will be it's own fire compartment. Everything breaking this barrier will need fire dampers. All fire dampers need man access. May be much more trouble than it is worth.<br>
Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng.<br>
Abode Engineering</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">On 12/09/2013 04:35 PM, Vipul Babriya wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I have a typical situation for DOAS system that serves fresh air (100% OA) to corridor spaces in multifamily building. The DOAS unit is equiped with heat recovery wheel, and uses the exhaust air from apartments, i.e. exhaust from bathroom and kitchen rather
than return air from corridor itself. How would i model the system that uses recovered heat from one system to another in the eQUEST.<br>
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Thanks in advance for your help.<br>
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Regards,<br>
Vipul <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Bishop, Bill <a href="mailto:wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com"><wbishop@pathfinder-ea.com></a><br>
To: James Hansen <a href="mailto:JHANSEN@ghtltd.com"><JHANSEN@ghtltd.com></a>; equest-users
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Subject: Re: [Equest-users] heat recovery and zone exhaust<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy">Make sure to NOT enter zonal exhaust flows if your intention is for the air to return to the ERV. Specifying zonal exhaust simulates air leaving the zone through
a separate exhaust fan (think bathrooms, kitchens, clothes dryers) and not returning to the air handling unit.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Hansen<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, December 15, 2010 9:59 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] heat recovery and zone exhaust</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I’m having the typical issues with getting an enthalpy wheel to show appreciable savings. I’ve adjusted some of the control sequences, and have managed to show
a savings in cooling energy, but I’m getting no heating savings, which is strange, unless my building is actually asking for cold OA during the winter because of the rather large internal heat loads (my guess is that this is true).</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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