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<p class="MsoPlainText">I think everyone who has submitted a number of LEED models in the past has gone through one or more inane review comment. It is frustrating, but I can feel a little sympathy for the reviewers – its not that easy checking a submittal
without having all the data at hand, and sometimes you are liable to miss stuff that has been submitted too. I always make it a practice to warn clients beforehand that the EAc1 submittal always come back with comments – that way when they do (and they always
do) you don’t lose credibility. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">As a side note to reviewers who might be on the list – what might help is that when there is a misstep in the review comments, please be as open to admitting that you have made a mistake with your comments as we are about accepting when
we have legitimately made errors in our models. No one is perfect and I can safely say that I have made mistakes in an EAc1 submittal in the past. What is frustrating is when you have to go back and forth a few times before getting matters resolved. What would
be nice (and would probably save time all round) is if I could put down my phone number with the submittal and have the reviewer call me to clarify any minor issues with the submittal. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">***Sigh***<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] On Behalf Of Eurek, John S NWO<br>
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:20 AM<br>
To: equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
Subject: Re: [Equest-users] [EXTERNAL] Re: Open Letter to LEED Energy Model Reviewers (UNCLASSIFIED)</p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Classification: UNCLASSIFIED<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Caveats: NONE<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">I also agree with the previous comments;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Just as an exercise to learn, I re-ran the model each time I incorporated one of the LEED review's comments to see the effect. A majority of the comments resulted in a change of less than 0.1% in energy usage.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">These comments obviously do not significantly affect the end result and only leed to delegitimizes the assumed competence of the reviewers.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">This is a part of a construction project. In the construction field nothing is ever 'perfect', there are always small flaws which are passable that are not worth bringing up. Often the person who nit-picks the tinniest of details burns
bridges in a field which is built on reputation and relationships.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">John Eurek<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">-----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">From: <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">
<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</span></a> [<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</span></a>]
On Behalf Of Neeraj Arora<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:21 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: Wesley S. Care; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">
<span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Equest-users] Open Letter to LEED Energy Model Reviewers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">I do agree with you. Many times we get such comments which are just the stock text and are asked because they are supposed to ask for the clarifications.
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Mostly, the reviewers say, "it seems" or "it appears", but they never mention why it so appears? They must mention the reason of doubt and most of all the solution of the problem.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Neeraj <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">From: Wesley S. Care <<a href="mailto:wesley.care@esdaz.com"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">mailto:wesley.care@esdaz.com</span></a>>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Sent: 20-08-2013 04:24 AM<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">To: <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText">Subject: [Equest-users] Open Letter to LEED Energy Model Reviewers<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Dear LEED Energy Model Reviewers:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Let me first say that I believe most of you are doing your best and take your positions seriously. Also, that I understand your jobs must be difficult, to decipher modeling results from a variety of users and software, all of us with
our own modeling styles. In my commentary below, know that I am trying to come from the position of a constructive critic, and would like the LEED process to be better for everyone involved. Unfortunately, the opaque, anonymous review process does not allow
me any forum whatsoever to provide feedback which would not threaten the review status of my clients.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">I received several (less than 10) comments on a model today. I expected some, especially with a fairly unusual method of water heating in my proposed model which is difficult to explain well with the template process. However, two are
completely unacceptable:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">The first comment requests that I make modifications necessary to "reflect Title-24 modeling protocol." Ok, that would be fine, except my building is NOT IN CALIFORNIA.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">The other comment includes bracketed notes to the reviewer him/herself, resulting in a totally incomplete comment: "It is unclear whether the Baseline case fan air flow rates were sized based on a 20 deg. F supply-air-to-room-air temperature
difference for each Baseline system because [indicate why you think this has been done incorrectly and what you are looking at to indicate this issue]." What am I supposed to do with this? Choose my own adventure?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">You may not have perspective on what it is like to be on the LEED submittal side of this process, or why this might be a big deal. People do these models as a JOB. A career. Some of us work for a company, others as independent consultants.
All of us do it for money, usually a pretty substantial amount, and to get the work, we have to present ourselves as qualified, professional energy modelers. When our clients, who paid a lot for our professional services, see a "text wall" of comments, what
do they think? It's one thing when the comments are reasonable, but totally inappropriate when they are not.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Adding rubber-stamp comments does not make you look better as a reviewer. It does not make our clients say, "Wow, all that money I paid to USGBC sure is justified!" It makes us both look foolish, and it does two bad things (over and
above wasting my/my client's/my company's time). It delegitimizes my standing as a modeler, because my client thinks I may not be as good as I say I am (which impacts my or my company's ability to negotiate decent contracts going forward). And it delegitimizes
the USGBC as a whole, because now I know, as many others have attested on this forum as well, that some of the model reviewing going on is some combination of incompetent and lazy.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">For all the work required to successfully complete a LEED model submission, and all of the cost, surely we can at least expect you to double check your own comments, and make sure that they are even relevant. You are not graduate TAs
grading freshman engineering papers. You are professionals, guiding other professionals in the energy modeling process for tomorrow's efficient buildings. We've all made mistakes, but please, please take this seriously.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText">Thanks, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"> Wesley<o:p></o:p></p>
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