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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Morteza Kasmai<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 16, 2013 2:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Howe, Timothy<br>
<b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Aluminum infill panel behind the glass<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto"><span style="color:#274E13">Many thanks Tim,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto"><span style="color:#274E13">I cannot select any table in ASHRAE appendix A for this type of wall. How can I select U-factor for this wall?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto"><span style="color:#274E13">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Howe, Timothy <<a href="mailto:Timothy.Howe@stantec.com" target="_blank">Timothy.Howe@stantec.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Spandrel isn’t vision glazing and should not be modeled as a “window”. It is a particular opaque wall
type that should be modeled as a wall. The only difference is that instead of having a brick, EFIS, stone, metal panel, etc., the exterior surface in a spandrel wall assembly is glass.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Morteza Kasmai<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 16, 2013 3:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Aluminum infill panel behind the glass</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#274E13">Attached is a part of wall section of the proposed model of office building anticipated LEED silver certification. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#274E13">8-43 is Alum. Curtain wall system (KAWNEER CLEARWALL) fritted pattern on #2 clear glazing surface and painted spandrel on #4 clear glazing (U-0.48, SHGC-0.39)
and 8-45 is Aluminum infill panel with 2” rigid insulation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#274E13">I am assuming this part as spandrel glass in the proposed model. How can I add the effect of 8-45 that is behind the glass?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#274E13">I would appreciate your comments.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#274E13">Morteza</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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