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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I've been on several proven provider calls where this has been discussed with GBCI, and in general, their feeling is:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>1) If there are no tenant drawings available, even if the design *<b>intent</b>* is FCUs with high efficiency ECM motors (or something to that effect), unless the core and shell scope actually shows specification and installation of the FCUs, the proposed model should use App G systems<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>2) If there are tenant drawings available (particularly if they happen to cover a large portion of the CS building), then GBCI is OK using your proposed systems in the proposed model.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>However, in all of our projects that have gone thru the proven provider program, all of them were Core and Shell projects with proposed central chilled water systems, floor-by-floor VAV AHUs, and future tenant VAV boxes. In this case, we were designing everything except for the VAV boxes, so it was really only a question of whether we had to use parallel FP terminals with 0.33 W / cfm (App G), or if we could use our design intent which was series VAV low temp FP terminals with higher efficiency motors.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>In your case, you don't have an air distribution system designed, so it is probably a little more complicated. Your tenants could install anything from FCUs to VAV AHUS with VAV boxes. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>If you have a complete set of tenant drawings, or you require tenants to use a specific HVAC system via a legally binding lease, then you will probably be OK using your design intent for the proposed model (YMMV).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>You should definitely document this for EAp2/EAc1.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:teal'>GHT Limited<br></span></b><b><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>James Hansen, P.E., LEED AP</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br>Senior Associate<br>1010 N. Glebe Road, Suite 200<br>Arlington, VA 22201-4749<br>703-243-1200 (office)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>703-338-5754 (cell)<br>703-276-1376 (fax)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.ghtltd.com/" title="http://www.ghtltd.com/">www.ghtltd.com</a></span><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mickey Bush<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 06, 2013 12:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Ellis, David'; 'Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr.'<br><b>Cc:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] LEED Core & Shell questions<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>I have a specific application related to the questions posed by David.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Proposed System - We have a core and shell project that includes a central CHW and HW plant as well as a dedicated outdoor air unit (with energy recovery). The design intent is to support tenant installation of fan coil units with outside air ducted to the spaces from the DOAS unit. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Baseline System - Based on the building size the baseline system is System 7 – VAV with reheat.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Questions:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>What should be modeled as the tenant HVAC system in the proposed model? One approach is to use fan coil units to align with the design intent. But, this thread has recommended using the Appendix G baseline for the tenant space, which in our case would be System 7 – VAV with reheat.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>If we model fan coil units, should we follow appendix G specifics for fan power and other operating parameters despite the fact that fan coil units are not specifically an option in Appendix G?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]><span style='color:#1F497D'>I believe the tenant design is complete (or nearly complete) with fan coil units. Should we make use of the tenant drawings to model the HVAC system? (The tenant design is under a separate contract.)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Mickey</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Mickey Bush, PE, LEED AP</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>DMI</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>300 Chestnut Street Suite 150</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Needham, MA 02492</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Phone: 781-449-5700 x13</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Ellis, David [<a href="mailto:David.Ellis@hdrinc.com">mailto:David.Ellis@hdrinc.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 05, 2013 3:02 PM<br><b>To:</b> Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr.<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] LEED Core & Shell questions</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>If the shell space is not yet fully designed, the understood guidance is that the ASHRAE baseline system is to be used for the shell spaces. My question is if the shell space intended design approach is evident (by system infrastructure installed to support future tenants) via lease documents, has anyone been required to prove the intended system approach performance as well?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Thanks</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=587 style='width:440.35pt;border-collapse:collapse'><tr style='height:12.5pt'><td width=155 rowspan=2 valign=top style='width:116.35pt;border:none;border-right:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;padding:8.35pt 8.35pt 8.35pt 8.35pt;height:12.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;text-transform:uppercase'>David Ellis<br></span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959'>PE </span><span 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class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959'>1101 King Street, Suite 400 </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#404040'> | </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959'>Alexandria, VA 22314</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#404040'><br></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959'>703.647.7735 </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#404040'>| c: </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959'>703.343.6758</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#404040'><br></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><a href="mailto:first.last@hdrinc.com"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>David.Ellis@hdrinc.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#404040'> | </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><a href="http://www.hdrinc.com/markets/architecture"><span 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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Patrick J. O'Leary, Jr. [<a href="mailto:poleary1969@gmail.com">mailto:poleary1969@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 05, 2013 2:36 PM<br><b>To:</b> Ellis, David<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] LEED Core & Shell questions</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>what do you mean by "i<span style='color:windowtext'>f the building approach for tenant fit-out defines a tenant design approach which is different from the baseline.</span>.." ?<br><br>for leed purposes if the building approach for tenant fit-out is NOT leed compliant per the appendix 4 quote below (or CS grey box at top of page 274 of the 2009 edition of the leed reference guide) then the 90.1 baseline must be used in both proposed and baseline. <br><br>either the design approach is different from the baseline and complies with the requirements mentioned (appendix 4/page 274 of 2009 edition) or it is not & the baseline must be used in both the proposed and baseline simulations (no savings claimed by whatever is actually in the design approach that does not meet the leed requirements for sale/lease agreements).<br><br>my edition of the 2009 edition, page 274, CS grey box title is: Credit for Tenant-implement Efficiency Measures. it is in the eac1 section, right after the large requirement table in section 6. calculations.<br><br>On 8/5/13 7:07 AM, Ellis, David wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>Anthony, Patrick, Bill and the list,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>I too have a keen interest in answering the question below (which might only be answered by USGBC):</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>Per the C&S Appendix 2 guidance (reference noted in Bill’s original question below), </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>?<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:windowtext'>“The core and shell building is defined as the parts of the building that are not tenant space. Any constraints or guidance issued to the tenant, such as a maximum level of lighting density or restrictions on occupancy type, must be outlined in the tenant lease or sales agreement (see Appendix 4).”</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>?<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:windowtext'>“</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:FreightText-Book;color:windowtext'>Model the heating, ventilation, and air-conditioning (HVAC) system as described in the design documents. If the HVAC system is not yet designed, use the same HVAC system as the baseline model, per ANSI/ASHRAE/IESNA Standard 90.1–2007, Table G3.1.1A.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>”</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>?<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>“</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:FreightText-Book;color:windowtext'>If the team is pursuing any additional energy-saving opportunities not associated with the core and shell areas, outline the opportunities or requirements in the tenant lease or sales agreement (see Appendix 4).</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>”</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>And Appendix 4 (<a href="http://www.usgbc.org/resources/appendix-4-tenant-lease-or-sales-agreement"><span style='color:windowtext'>http://www.usgbc.org/resources/appendix-4-tenant-lease-or-sales-agreement</span></a> ),</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4;text-autospace:none'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>?<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='color:windowtext'>“</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:FreightText-Book;color:windowtext'>Compliance through a binding tenant lease or sales agreement can be pursued as an alternative to or in conjunction with the standard approach to LEED for Core & Shell credit documentation. Clearly identify which components of the credit will be implemented as part of the developer’s scope of work, and which portions will be part of the tenants’ scope of work and enforced through binding tenant lease or sales agreements.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>”</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>Per guidance above, for spaces not yet designed ASHRAE Baseline is to be presumed, unless specific measures are designed in that enhance the baseline approach. If those measures are in the C&S design intended for tenant use, then they must be included in any binding lease agreement material (such as sales information or design guideline/specification).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>What is not clear is if the building approach for tenant fit-out defines a tenant design approach which is different from the baseline. Does anyone have experience with being required to show that the defined approach also performs?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:windowtext'>Dave</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 width=587 style='width:440.35pt;border-collapse:collapse'><tr style='height:12.5pt'><td width=155 rowspan=2 valign=top style='width:116.35pt;border:none;border-right:solid #7F7F7F 1.0pt;padding:8.35pt 8.35pt 8.35pt 8.35pt;height:12.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;text-transform:uppercase'>David Ellis<br></span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959'>PE </span><span style='font-size:7.5pt;color:#595959'>(VA, MD, DC)</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959'>LEED AP</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959'>CEM</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959'>PMP</span><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=432 style='width:4.5in;padding:8.35pt 8.35pt 8.35pt 8.35pt;height:12.5pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt'>HDR Architecture Inc</span></b><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman \, serif"'><br></span></b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959'>Energy Services, New Construction</span><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr style='height:8.6pt'><td width=432 style='width:4.5in;padding:6.0pt 5.75pt 6.0pt 5.75pt;height:8.6pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959'>1101 King Street, Suite 400 </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#404040'> | </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959'>Alexandria, VA 22314</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#404040'><br></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959'>703.647.7735 </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#404040'>| c: </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959'>703.343.6758</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#404040'><br></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman \, serif"'><a href="mailto:first.last@hdrinc.com"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>David.Ellis@hdrinc.com</span></a></span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#404040'> | </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman \, serif"'><a href="http://www.hdrinc.com/markets/architecture"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>hdrarchitecture.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-line-height-alt:8.6pt'><a href="http://www.facebook.com/HDRarchitecture"><b><span style='font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=24 height=24 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CE92A5.7DC86FB0" alt="Description:
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O'Leary, Jr. [<a href="mailto:poleary1969@gmail.com">mailto:poleary1969@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 01, 2013 5:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] LEED Core & Shell questions</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>i don't recall the page in the leed 3 manual right off hand but 1) tenant spaces can be modeled as proposed type (hvac/water/lighting) if there is a legally binding signed/or master lease agreement specifying the proposed requirements that all tenants must adhere to and said lease agreement is uploaded as part of the project documentation. i.e. lower lighting lpd, increased hvac unit efficiencies/power, and water saving fixtures. <br><br>and 2) there is an equest limit on the number of submeters a project can have, and a core/shell project requires submeters for each tenant to be separated out between process, lighting, and hvac, so the number of meters can add up quickly if you're dealing with a sizeable core/shell with many tenant spaces.<br><br>On 8/1/13 1:36 PM, Anthony Hardman wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#00B0F0'>See below</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b>Anthony Hardman, </b><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>PE, LEED AP BD&C</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Building Performance Analyst</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:#00B050'>The Green Engineer, Inc.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#00B050'>Sustainable Design Consulting</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>54 Junction Square Dr.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Concord, MA 01742</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>O: (978) 610-2801</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>C: (720) 840-7862</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>The Green Engineer, Inc. is a Certified B Corporation</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Bishop, Bill [<a href="mailto:bbishop@pathfinder-ea.com">mailto:bbishop@pathfinder-ea.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 01, 2013 7:11 AM<br><b>To:</b> eQUEST Users List<br><b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] LEED Core & Shell questions</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>1. Should Tenant Spaces in LEED Core & Shell projects be modeled with Appendix G systems for the Baseline, and for the Proposed as well if there is no HVAC design?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>-OR- Should Tenant Spaces be modeled as “unconditioned” in both the Baseline and Proposed? (-OR- some other option?)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#00B0F0'>Finished tenant spaces should be modeled as designed with terminal units placed on the tenant meter. If unfinished, it should follow Appendix G.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>2. What is the intent/purpose of the requirement to model separate electric meters for lighting, plug loads and process loads in the Tenant Spaces? Should the cost from these meters be removed from the building energy cost for EAc1 savings?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#00B0F0'>Download the </span><span style='color:#1F497D'><a href="http://www.usgbc.org/resources/cs-v20-eac1-spreadsheet">spreadsheet</a></span><span style='color:#00B0F0'>, it should answer your questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>3. IF HVAC systems are modeled in the Tenant Spaces, should this energy be assigned to separate meters as well?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.usgbc.org/resources/appendix-2-core-and-shell-energy-modeling-guidelines">LEED Core & Shell Appendix 2</a> describes how the HVAC systems should be modeled for the Core and Shell Building, but not for the Tenant Spaces. Appendix 2 also describes the requirement for modeling separate meters.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thank you,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Bill <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>William Bishop, PE, BEMP, BEAP, LEED AP | Pathfinder Engineers & Architects LLP</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><img border=0 width=67 height=93 id="_x0000_i1035" src="cid:image006.jpg@01CE92A5.7DC86FB0" alt="Oh No Mr
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