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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Busman, Michael R <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:MBusman@chevron.com" target="_blank">MBusman@chevron.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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your mechanical engineer should have it and could maybe review with you what the daily gallons of usage should be in addition to a simple hand or spreadsheet calc of kWh as a comparison number. I would definitely suggest focusing on the sf/occupant and laundry
usage as well as the other items I listed below. Finally, if you are modeling an existing building and can get historical electric consumption and demand data, I would use that to try and calibrate the model to the historical data. By the way, is electric
resistance water heating included in the proposed model?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>To:</b> Busman, Michael R<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Huge electrical consumption for DHW<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div class="h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <span style="color:#1f497d">Mike,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Thank you so much for your respond.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">All the inputs are eQUEST defaults; with your suggestions I have to revise them. I reviewed Section 7 of ASHRAE 90.1-2007, but I couldn't find related
data for the baseline model. I have the exact data for the proposed model based on the MEP engineer calculations but if I input those data for the baseline model the project will not achieve any savings from this category. It would be very helpful if you let
me know where I can find these data.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Busman, Michael R <<a href="mailto:MBusman@chevron.com" target="_blank">MBusman@chevron.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I took a very quick look at some of the inputs in wizard mode. Some of the input assumptions appear
to be on the high side and I’d suggest double-checking. </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">20 gal/person</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">sf/person – many of the spaces have an allocation of 100 or 200 sf/occupant, which might overstate the number of occupants</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">10 laundry loads/week/apartment – It’s been many years since I’ve had little ones or teenagers in the house, so my memory isn’t too clear on how many loads/week we used to
do, but this seems on the high side, but I could be wrong and worth checking.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I noticed 2 DHW heaters defined, one at 135 deg. and the other at 110 deg. I didn’t look at the input file so I don’t know how these get assigned or if both get assigned
or just the first heater. 135 deg. for residential use is high if you want to avoid scalding and will also overstate your kWh.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Finally, I’d suggest reviewing ASHRAE service hot water heating requirements. They indicate
<b><u>average</u></b> daily DHW usage for apartments of about 40 gal/apartment and
<b><u>maximum</u></b> usage as high as 80 gal/day. Please note that the numbers are based on
<b><u>OLD</u></b> data before low flow fixtures and devices became common. So a comparison to the ASHRAE numbers should be made with the ASHRAE numbers bumped down.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I think the ASHRAE chapter on DHW also charts typical hourly usage. You might want to check versus your DHW schedule.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I hope the above helps or maybe gets you on the right path.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Morteza Kasmai<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 21, 2013 9:29 AM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have Electrical Water Heater for the Residential and Non-residential parts of this model. I allowed eQuest to auto-size domestic hot-water use. BEPS report shows huge electrical
consumption for DHW, more than the total consumptions of all others. Is there something wrong?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please find the attached pd2 and inp files of the project.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Your comments would be greatly appreciated.<u></u><u></u></p>
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