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    <font size="+1">Hi Kim,<br>
      <font size="+1">I haven't done a CHP eQuest project yet <font
          size="+1">so I may be off base here.  I think the way you are
          trying to split the electrical generation</font></font> and
      heat produced is going to cause you problems.  eQuest is a
      thermodynamic box.  You <font size="+1">should have either
        external systems like district plants</font> or internal systems
      like boilers.  Trying to split this CHP generator up the way you
      are trying to do is going to be difficult as you are e<font
        size="+1">xperiencing but I also think your results have a majo<font
          size="+1">r likelihood<font size="+1"> of <font size="+1">giving
              you</font> invalid numbers.<font size="+1">  Your CHP is a
              district plant and should be treated as such.<br>
              <font size="+1">I'm not sure of your u<font size="+1">ltimate
                  goal, the building itself or the plant, I assume it is
                  the building<font size="+1"> mainly<font size="+1">,
                      then showing the advantages of integrating it into
                      a CHP district plant.  This idea <font size="+1">is
                        one which should be pursued more.  Typical
                        electrical generation <font size="+1">mostly
                          has an efficiency below 40% due to all the <font
                            size="+1">low gra<font size="+1">de heat
                              being dumped.  If you put all this heat to
                              work you <font size="+1">can get your
                                efficiency into the 60 to 80% range
                                depending on how well you get everything
                                integrated.  This is the true problem,
                                loading the CHP plant effectively, which
                                will determine your overall efficiency.<br>
                                <font size="+1">I would do the building
                                  separately, it is stand alone anyw<font
                                    size="+1">ay and eQuest will
                                    function pro<font size="+1">perly
                                      and give you good results.  If you
                                      want to do the plant as well then
                                      you have to look at it<font
                                        size="+1">'s "box" <font
                                          size="+1">of which <font
                                            size="+1">your building is
                                            one load of a few or many. 
                                            Your building <font
                                              size="+1">could become a
                                              process load as part of
                                              the CHP system w<font
                                                size="+1">ith an
                                                electrical schedule and
                                                a heat cool<font
                                                  size="+1"> schedule. 
                                                  We do <font size="+1">know
                                                    how to make cold
                                                    water with a heat
                                                    flow so your heating
                                                    and cooling loads
                                                    could load the CHP
                                                    waste heat side year
                                                    round.  I don't
                                                    think you would get
                                                    a proper analysis of
                                                    the <font size="+1">CHP
                                                      system unless you
                                                      looked at all the
                                                      loads and
                                                      schedules on it. 
                                                      The CHP plant <font
                                                        size="+1">overall
                                                        efficiency i<font
                                                          size="+1">s
                                                          totally
                                                          dependent on
                                                          how evenly you
                                                          load it and
                                                          how well you
                                                          match the
                                                          electrical
                                                          load and the
                                                          heat rejection<font
                                                          size="+1">
                                                          consumption.<br>
                                                          <font
                                                          size="+1">If
                                                          your building<font
                                                          size="+1">s
                                                          are all
                                                          similar you
                                                          could use the
                                                          results from
                                                          your one
                                                          building to
                                                          model the
                                                          other ones on
                                                          the CHP
                                                          system.  The
                                                          area you will
                                                          have trouble
                                                          with will be
                                                          the <font
                                                          size="+1">building
                                                          shoulder
                                                          seasons when
                                                          economizers
                                                          can take care
                                                          of most or all
                                                          of the
                                                          buildings
                                                          heating and
                                                          cooling
                                                          needs.  With
                                                          cheaper h<font
                                                          size="+1">ot</font>
                                                          and cold water
                                                          you may ti<font
                                                          size="+1">ghten
                                                          the economize<font
                                                          size="+1">rs
                                                          operati<font
                                                          size="+1">ng
                                                          range and l<font
                                                          size="+1">oad
                                                          the CHP
                                                          better.  The
                                                          penalty on the
                                                          building might
                                                          be more than
                                                          made up for in
                                                          gain of CHP
                                                          plant.</font></font></font></font></font></font></font><br>
                                                          <font
                                                          size="+1">CHP
                                                          plants<font
                                                          size="+1"> <font
                                                          size="+1">mo<font
                                                          size="+1">st
                                                          times don't
                                                          operate in
                                                          isolation. 
                                                          You may find
                                                          it an
                                                          advantage to
                                                          sell some of
                                                          the power
                                                          outside the
                                                          CHP box to
                                                          balance the
                                                          electrical and
                                                          waste heat
                                                          better.  That
                                                          is what a
                                                          model is for,
                                                          exploring
                                                          possibilities.</font></font></font></font> 
                                                          CHP plants are
                                                          a great
                                                          extension of
                                                          using gas to
                                                          generate elect<font
                                                          size="+1">ricity
                                                          i<font
                                                          size="+1">f
                                                          they are built
                                                          close to where
                                                          the power is
                                                          being consumed<font
                                                          size="+1"> and
                                                          if you do it
                                                          right you on<font
                                                          size="+1">ly
                                                          need half the
                                                          p<font
                                                          size="+1">lants.</font></font></font></font></font><br>
                                                          </font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font><font
        size="+1">Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng.<br>
        <font size="+1">Abo<font size="+1">de Engineering<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/06/2013 10:35 AM, DongEun Kim
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CAFdJG-ieVeSTwoctbi6085dEeghPMEy3uXr6MfqmjUm=r8Gm0w@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">
      <div>Thank you very much Bill and James for your insights !</div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font color="#000000">What I still can't understand is...</font></div>
      <div><font color="#000000">when I modeled the gas turbine
          generator, I specified the HIR(I put 2.5 as the actual CHP
          plant data suggests 40% of electric generation efficiency) and
          "Frac Input Recoverable from Exhaust" at the 'Loop
          attachment.' And I chose "track thermal load(this building
          uses District Hot Water from a offsite CHP plant for its
          heating, and I am applying Opt2 of DES guideline,
          directly applying generator in the model)."  </font></div>
      <div><font color="#000000">The fraction of total thermal
          recovery(report PS-A) to the total fuel consumed by
          generator matches the fraction I put  in the "Frac Input
          Recoverable from Exhaust."  However, the  fraction of
          total electricity generated(report PS-C) to the total fuel is
          about 4% (even though I put 2.5 for the HIR)..which is too
          small even  considering the non-linear relationship between <font
            face="Calibri" size="3">GTG electrical and thermal output.
            Also, I applied a flat curve for the generator per DES
            guideline, Monitoring. There even were some engineers who
            advised me to put  0.25 for the HIR for the generator to get
            the 40% of electricity generation to the total fuel input. </font></font></div>
      <div> </div>
      <div><font face="Calibri" size="3">Anyhow, I followed your leads,
          and tried to size the generator to have the capacity(KW) that
          exactly matches the building thermal(heating) peak load(PS-H).
          Then I made generator electric meter mode to be "run at
          maximum" to achieve higher efficiency for elec generation as
          well as thermal recovery efficiency.</font></div>
      <div>Well..luckily..  It gives me the right  thermal recovery
        efficiency(total heat recovered/total fuel input) and
        electricity generation efficiency(total electricity
        generation/total fuel input) as a result.</div>
      <div>
        And I don't think it will be problematic for the generator to
        'run at maximum' because I have to re-calculate the electricity
        and the heat supply to the building according to the DES
        guideline App.D anyway.</div>
      <div> </div>
      <div>What do you think about the idea of running the appropriately
        sized generator at "maximum" mode to achieve high, steady elec
        generation efficiency?</div>
      <div> </div>
      <div>I need your insightful remarks again :)</div>
      <div> </div>
      <div>Thank you in advance!</div>
      <div> </div>
      <div> </div>
      <div>Kim</div>
      <div><br>
         </div>
      <div class="gmail_quote">2013/6/18 James Hess <span dir="ltr"><<a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:JHess@tmecorp.com"
            target="_blank">JHess@tmecorp.com</a>></span><br>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">This
                  response will target specifically the thermal tracking
                  option for cogeneration systems, with regards to gas
                  turbine engines/generators (GTG).</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">FYI,
                  based on data I have analyzed previously from a major
                  GTG manufacturer (on the Southern West Coast), I think
                  the issue is that GTG exhaust heat output is not
                  linear with electrical load.  In other words, you can
                  drop the electrical load on the GTG  by 50% and still
                  get ~ 77% of the thermal output that you get at 100%
                  load.  Thus, I’m not surprised at the results you are
                  getting using the thermal tracking option.  The eQuest
                  curves appear to be taking into account the non-linear
                  relationship between GTG electrical and thermal
                  output.  However, I would step back and ask the
                  question, does thermal tracking really work?  In other
                  words, if you have to significantly drop your
                  electrical output in order to match the thermal load,
                  that may work inside eQuest due to the use of a
                  theoretical curve.  However, it may not work in the
                  real world due to operational constraints.  This
                  varies by equipment, but what I mean by this is the
                  following.  For example, manufacturers of the simple
                  Brayton cycle gas turbine engines appear (to me) to
                  not want the GTGs operated at less than 50% load for
                  stability reasons, and I know they will not rate them
                  at load conditions < 50%.  It’s likely that you
                  couldn’t operate the GTG at these conditions because
                  the GTG PLC controller would be programmed to override
                  to protect the equipment.  Thus, the controller may
                  not allow the electrical load to go less than 50%, in
                  which case you would be forced to find a way to dump
                  the excess heat, which is typically done via a
                  diverter stack, which diverts exhaust gas around the
                  Heat Recovery Steam Generator (HRSG).</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">To
                  summarize, my take is what eQuest is doing is
                  correct.  Your potential solutions could be the
                  following:</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
              <p><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>1)<span
                      style="font:7pt/normal "Times New
                      Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">     
                    </span></span></span><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Generate
                  too much electric power and thermal energy; sell the
                  excess electricity to the grid if you can, and waste
                  the excess thermal energy through a diverter stack
                  that operates in conjunction with the heat recovery
                  steam generator/heat recovery hot water generator.</span></p>
              <p><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>2)<span
                      style="font:7pt/normal "Times New
                      Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">     
                    </span></span></span><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Downsize
                  the GTG equipment to better match electrical and
                  thermal capacity to loads, minimizing non-utilized
                  heat output, and minimizing electricity sold to the
                  grid.</span></p>
              <p><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>3)<span
                      style="font:7pt/normal "Times New
                      Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">     
                    </span></span></span><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Combination
                  of the above.</span></p>
              <p><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"><span>4)<span
                      style="font:7pt/normal "Times New
                      Roman";font-size-adjust:none;font-stretch:normal">     
                    </span></span></span><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Use
                  a different type of cogeneration equipment, such as a
                  reciprocating engine or a micro steam turbine
                  generator.  Do you really have a gas turbine
                  generator, or do you have a reciprocating engine?  A
                  recip engine may have different thermal output versus
                  electrical output characteristics that might work
                  better in your favor.  I’m not as familiar with the
                  recips so somebody more knowledgeable in this area
                  would need to respond. </span></p>
              <p><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">In
                  practice, the sizing of cogeneration systems is quite
                  tricky.  I don’t think there is a perfect solution,
                  but you strive for the best solution you can get based
                  on the loads you have and the available cogeneration
                  equipment in the market, including consideration of
                  their specific operation constraints.  In general, the
                  goal is to size the cogeneration equipment to match
                  thermal loads, but it’s not possible to get a perfect
                  match, and therefore some heat will be wasted.</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Your
                  specific problem may be that you are trying to model a
                  campus cogeneration system serving just the building
                  for your project, in which case the loads versus
                  cogeneration capacity would be a complete mismatch
                  inside eQuest.  In that case, I think you would be
                  better off ditching eQuest to model the cogeneration
                  system and just roll your own spreadsheet based on
                  data supplied from whoever is operating the
                  cogeneration plant, which is allowed per the USGBC
                  DESv2.0 guidelines.  For example, if you had
                  monthly/annual “monitored” data on total electrical
                  output, total gas input, total hot water output, etc.
                  you could create a spreadsheet that satisfies the
                  DESv2.0 guidelines.  My opinion is that this approach
                  would be easier than wrestling with eQuest on
                  cogeneration.  The simplest solution, but least
                  accurate but perhaps more cost effective for you, is
                  to use the default CHP efficiencies on page 27 of
                  DESv2.0 (i.e. Appendix D).</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Hope
                  this helps.</span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Thanks! 
                </span><span
                  style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Wingdings;font-size:11pt">J</span><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"></span></p>
              <p><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
              <div>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">Regards,</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:rgb(51,153,102);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:8pt"> </span></b></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:rgb(51,153,102);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">JAH</span></b></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:rgb(51,153,102);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:8pt"> </span></b></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
style="color:rgb(51,153,102);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">James
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                    Energy Engineer<br>
                    TME, Inc.<br>
                    Little Rock, AR</span></p>
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                      <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bishop, Bill<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 17, 2013 8:08 AM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> DongEun Kim; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                      <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users]
                      co-generation(gas-turbine generator) question !</span></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-size:11pt">The
                      gas turbine generator is controlled by the
                      settings in the electric meter to which it is
                      assigned. The generator will match the required
                      electricity consumption (if it has the capacity)
                      if you set the COGEN-TRACK-MODE to “Track Electric
                      Load”. Setting the track mode to “Track Thermal
                      Load” will control the generator to meet the hot
                      water demand of the loop to which it is attached,
                      and you only get electricity when the generator is
                      running to meet the HW load. If your heating
                      demand is higher than your electricity demand, the
                      generator will produce more electricity than can
                      be used by the UTILITY meter and the surplus power
                      is lost unless you also attach the generator to an
                      ELECTRIC-SALE meter. Setting the track mode to
                      “Track Electric Load” should increase the
                      fuel-to-electricity efficiency but then you will
                      be wasting some of the recoverable exhaust heat.</span></p>
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                        style="font-family:"Franklin Gothic
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                        Bishop, PE, BEMP, BEAP, LEED AP
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                        Pathfinder Engineers & Architects LLP</span></b></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:9pt">Senior
                      Energy Engineer</span></p>
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                      South Fitzhugh Street</span><span
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                    </span><span
style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:9pt">Rochester,
                      NY 14608</span></p>
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style="color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";font-size:9pt">T:
                      (585) 325-6004
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                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>DongEun Kim<br>
                        <b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 17, 2013 5:19 AM<br>
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                        <b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users]
                        co-generation(gas-turbine generator) question !</span></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal">Hi All!</p>
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                      I have an urgent question for you!<br>
                       <br>
                      I am trying to model a gas-turbine generator (CHP)
                      plant per the DES guideline Opt2.<br>
                      The CHP generates electricity using "track thermal
                      load" and provides recovered hot water directly to
                      a hot water loop.<br>
                       <br>
                      The problem is that  the total electricity
                      generated by the CHP plant is much less than it is
                      supposed to be.<br>
                      (I put "HIR=2.5" for the gas-turbine generator as
                      the electricity generation efficiency is 40%.
                      However, the output shows that the total
                      electricity generated is only 4% of the total fuel
                      input)<br>
                       <br>
                      Does anyone  have some thoughts on this?<br>
                       <br>
                      Any comment will be greatly appreciated!<br>
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                      Thank you!!<br>
                       <br>
                      Kim</p>
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