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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Wow! This reminds me of some
discussions I have had with EnergyPro support regarding loads
reports.<br>
<br>
I use EnergyPro for LEED and Loads and it is also DOE (2.1E)
based. There is always a hassle making sure that the ventilation
loads are in the loads reports. This gives me some clues.
Thanks!<br>
<br>
EnergyPro does add the ventilation loads in eventually so the Zone
and System reports reflect those loads.<br>
<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Robert Wichert P.Eng. LEED AP BD&C
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On 5/21/2013 11:10 AM, Mark Rasmussen wrote:<br>
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<div><span>Howdy Daniel,</span></div>
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</span></div>
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13.600000381469727px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><span>Thank you for the reply, it is very
appreciated.</span></div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
13.600000381469727px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><span><br>
</span></div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
13.600000381469727px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><span>Yes, we know that the ventilation
load doesn't show up in any of the</span></div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
13.600000381469727px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><span>standard eQuest reports (such as
LS-C Building Peak Load Components)</span></div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
13.600000381469727px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><span>because they don't show up in the
DOE-2.2 engine </span><span style="background-color:
transparent;">reports either, which </span></div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
13.600000381469727px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color:
transparent;">are the source of the eQuest reports.</span></div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
13.600000381469727px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><span><br>
</span></div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
13.600000381469727px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><span>However, our question pertains to
the end use Natural Gas Consumption which only </span></div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
13.600000381469727px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><span>shows Natural Gas Usage due to
losses from Conduction (we verified this by </span></div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
13.600000381469727px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><span>manual calculation). The Natural
Gas Usage projected by the energy model</span></div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
13.600000381469727px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><span>does not include any Natural Gas
Usage from the ventilation air (with outdoor air).</span></div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
13.600000381469727px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><span><br>
</span></div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
13.600000381469727px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Any idea
what programming issue could prevent the end use Natural Gas
Usage</span></div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
13.600000381469727px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">from
Ventilation with Outdoor Air from being included in the end
use analysis?</span></div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
13.600000381469727px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><span>I have been trying for a long time,
and can't locate the issue. The problem is </span></div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
13.600000381469727px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><span>causing an issue with our project
timeline now, so I need to get this issue solved</span></div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
13.600000381469727px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><span>very soon.</span></div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
13.600000381469727px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><span><br>
</span></div>
<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size:
13.600000381469727px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><span>Thanks & Best Wishes!</span></div>
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13.600000381469727px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new
york', times, serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><span>Mark</span></div>
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<hr size="1"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span
style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Daniel
Knapp <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:danielk@arborus.ca"><danielk@arborus.ca></a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mark
Rasmussen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:markfrazz@yahoo.com"><markfrazz@yahoo.com></a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">"equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org"><equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org></a> <br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>
Tuesday, May 21, 2013 12:56 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Equest-users] Inquiry Regarding No Energy Usage for
Ventilation Outdoor Air<br>
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Hi Mark,<br>
<br>
The loads report which shows the conduction losses does
not include loads from the HVAC systems. The ventilation
load doesn't show up in any of the standard eQuest
reports. This is because eQuest is based on DOE-2.2 which
runs in sequence every hour as LOADS -> HVAC ->
ECON. LOADS calculates the loads on every space in the
building according to a constant indoor space temperature
and the outdoor weather conditions and then passes this
information to HVAC which uses it to calculate the
required response from the systems. The load reporting
comes out of LOADS before HVAC does its work. I recommend
digging into the DOE-2.2 documentation for more
information.<br>
<br>
There is probably a way to separate out the ventilation
load in the hourly reporting functions. It's something
I'm looking into but haven't figured out yet. Let me know
if you find an easy way to do this. <br>
<br>
All the best,<br>
Dan<br>
<br>
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—<br>
Daniel Knapp, PhD, P Phys, LEED® AP O+M<br>
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Arborus Consulting<br>
Energy Strategies for the Built Environment<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.arborus.ca">www.arborus.ca</a><br>
76 Chamberlain Avenue <br>
Ottawa, ON, K1S 1V9 <br>
Phone: (613) 234-7178 ext. 113<br>
Fax: (613) 234-0740<br>
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On 2013-05-21, at 1:13 PM, Mark Rasmussen <<a
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wrote:<br>
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> To Whom May Be So Kind,<br>
> <br>
> We are currently creating an Energy Model using
eQuest for LEED NC v2.2 <br>
> for a facility that will consist of restaurants and a
bar/lounge. According to <br>
> LEED NC v2.2, we need to use a Packaged Single Zone
(PSZ-AC)<br>
> system for the baseline case energy model.<br>
> <br>
> Currently, the energy model results for Space Heating
only show usage resulting<br>
> from Conduction Losses and not from Ventilation using
Outdoor Air. This is confusing <br>
> to us, since the SV-A Report in the DOE-2 Engine
reports shows Outdoor Air in the <br>
> system results.<br>
> <br>
> Any help to guide us on why the energy usage from
Ventilation using Outdoor Air <br>
> is not showing up in the results / end usage analysis
in our energy model would be <br>
> very appreciated.<br>
> <br>
> Thanks & Best Wishes!<br>
> Mark<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
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