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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hello Omar,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I guess it doesn’t really matter either way. The parking garage levels will be fairly easy to model. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Any way personally I determine the number of shells I use based on floor layouts, changes in floor to floor heights (atriums or secondary floors between main floors). Using the wizard to create the shell means each floor within the shell will have the same zoning pattern, which is not an issue for unconditioned floor areas, but will be if you have different zoning patterns on the conditioned floors. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>From your rendering and assuming each floor has a different zoning pattern, I would use 10 stacked shells. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>From top to bottom<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Bldg #1 Level 7<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Bldg #1 Level 6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Bldg #1 Level 5<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span 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style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>7.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Bldg #1 Level 3<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>8.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Bldg #2 Level 3<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>9.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Bldg #1 Level 2 & Library Level 2 & Bldg #2 Level 2<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>10.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Bldg #1 Level 1 & Library Level 1 & Bldg #2 Level 1 & Parking garage both levels<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Note: <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'>There is not a huge difference in the exterior of Bldg #1 levels 3-5 so depending on the required level of detail, you may be able to simplify these levels and combine into one shell. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'>If the zoning patterns for each floor are similar then the shell count may be reduced <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'>eQUEST does not adjust the adjacency for the floors between stacked shells. It models them as if they are adiabatic, if you determine this is a big enough issue, you will need to manually adjust them in the detailed edit mode. I have modeled both ways and have had negligable difference in the results, but it really depends on the differences between zones.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Hope that helps,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Byron<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Omar Katanani<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 14, 2013 3:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Modeling 2 interconnected buildings<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks Byron,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I actually never thought we have the option of not modeling the unconditioned basements. I know what you’re saying makes sense logically, but I am modeling the building for LEED, and I’m not sure the USGBC would like the fact that I’m not modeling 2 full basement levels.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Assuming I have to, do you agree with the attached drawing (dividing into 3 shells)?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Omar <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'>___________________________</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'>Omar Katanani</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><br></span><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'>Senior Sustainability Engineer</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'>Email: <a href="mailto:omar@ecoconsulting.net">omar@ecoconsulting.net</a></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.5pt;color:navy'>EcoConsulting (Lebanon)<br>Nahas Building, 4<sup>th</sup> floor</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.5pt;color:navy'>Georges Haddad Avenue</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.5pt;color:navy'>Postal Code: 2028 5806, Saifi District</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.5pt;color:navy'>Beirut, Lebanon</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.5pt;color:navy'>Tel: +961 (0) 1 971 266 <br>Mobile: +961 (0) 3 045 045</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.5pt;color:navy'>EcoConsulting (UK) Ltd<br>28 Marshalsea Road<br>London, SE1 1HF<br>Tel: +44 (0)207 939 0989<br>Fax: +44 (0)207 939 0981</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.5pt;color:navy'>Website: </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><a href="http://www.ecoconsulting.net/"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>www.ecoconsulting.net</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><img border=0 width=576 height=67 id="_x0000_i1025" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CE507F.2F0F65D0" alt="EcoConsulting Membership Logos (low res)"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> Byron Burns [<a href="mailto:B.Burns@ha-inc.com">mailto:B.Burns@ha-inc.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> 13 May 2013 19:21<br><b>To:</b> Omar Katanani; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Modeling 2 interconnected buildings<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hello Omar,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I would first define the thermal boundary of the conditioned spaces. I assume the parking area is not conditioned so the only the two above grade buildings (possibly the library according to your project boundary) need to be modeled. The lighting and exhaust fan energy for the parking structure can be accounted for as an external process load attached to the meters.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hope that helps,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D'><br></span><b><span style='color:#1F497D'>Byron Burns</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>From:</span></b><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext'> <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Omar Katanani<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 13, 2013 11:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Modeling 2 interconnected buildings<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I want to start modeling a school project comprising of 2 buildings interconnected by:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>A car parking on 2 basement levels, and <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span><![endif]>a library space at the Ground & First Floor levels<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I have attached a 3D rendering of the project and highlighted the 2 buildings (building 1 & building 2 in <b>red</b> and <b>green</b>) and the library separating them (in <b>blue</b> color). The underground basement is not shown in this image but will span the whole footprint below the 2 buildings.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I want to start by modeling these buildings via the wizard. I guess I will need to create separate shells and position them properly, right?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If this is the case, is the best scenario to model 3 shells as follows?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>1 for Bldg#1, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>1 for the library, and <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-family:Symbol'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]>1 for Bldg#2 <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>As for the basement, is it better to model it as 1 big shell and place the 3 shells (listed above) just over the basement shell? Or it is better to divide the basement into 3 sections and merge each section with the above-ground shell (listed above)?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I hope I explained it clearly :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Thanks,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Omar <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'>___________________________</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'>Omar Katanani</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><br></span><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'>Senior Sustainability Engineer</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='color:navy'>Email: <a href="mailto:omar@ecoconsulting.net">omar@ecoconsulting.net</a></span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.5pt;color:navy'>EcoConsulting (Lebanon)<br>Nahas Building, 4<sup>th</sup> floor</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.5pt;color:navy'>Georges Haddad Avenue</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.5pt;color:navy'>Postal Code: 2028 5806, Saifi District</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.5pt;color:navy'>Beirut, Lebanon</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.5pt;color:navy'>Tel: +961 (0) 1 971 266 <br>Mobile: +961 (0) 3 045 045</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.5pt;color:navy'>EcoConsulting (UK) Ltd<br>28 Marshalsea Road<br>London, SE1 1HF<br>Tel: +44 (0)207 939 0989<br>Fax: +44 (0)207 939 0981</span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.5pt;color:navy'>Website: </span><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"'><a href="http://www.ecoconsulting.net/"><span lang=EN-GB style='font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:navy'>www.ecoconsulting.net</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><img border=0 width=576 height=67 id="Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image001.jpg@01CE507F.2F0F65D0" alt="EcoConsulting Membership Logos (low res)"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>