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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Well everyone, it seems I have hit a nerve with my original
inquiry and thank you all for your responses. After reading over the responses
I think I am going to run both the baseline and proposed fans continuously (it
seems the most conservative case) and use 0.0003 kw/cfm for the baseline fan
energy but add an A value equal to 1.4 to cover the proposed system Merv 13
filters and return ductwork.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I think I will also modify the EIR cooling equation to use 300
w/cfm fan power instead of 365 w/cfm power. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>So baseline PTAC fan power = CFM<i><span style='font-style:
italic'>s</span></i> *0.0003 + (1.4* CFM<i><span style='font-style:italic'>s</span></i>/4131)
which works out to be 0.00057 kw /cfm for a small 0.83 efficient motor<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>and baseline PTAC Cooling EIR will have a 0.10 constant
instead of a 0.012167</span></font><font size=2 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>If I ever have to submit this to LEED I will probably regret
it, but it seems to be the most logical approach. Of course logic and LEED don’t
necessarily go together. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Oh well, thanks again for the feedback.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><font
size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:
bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> <a
href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank"
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Kathryn Kerns<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, February 25, 2013
5:57 PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <a
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Equest-users] Baseline
PTAC Fan Energy for a Proposed Merv13 + Return Duct System</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Everyone, I
have been modeling some dormitories with a proposed HVAC system involving a DOA
with a full exhaust air HX and MERV 13 filters. The puzzle is what to do about
the baseline PTAC fan power energy? If I use 0.3 w/cfm as Appendix G suggests,
my PTAC baseline system does not account for a fully ducted return\exhaust or
MERV 13 filters. The commercial fan power equation for systems 3-8 accounts for
this, but I am not supposed to use that formula for System 1 and 2.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Another
puzzle is if I develop an cooling EIR value for my baseline PTAC using the 365
w/kCFM conversion rule and equate that with 0.3 w/cfm, what happened to the
other 65 w/kCFM? </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Maybe ARI
310/380 doesn’t use 365 w/cfm fan power?  I read it and didn’t
find any statement regarding fan power requirements, but I assume it works the
same as ARI 210/240?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I am
wondering if a compromise of </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>                       
PTAC fan power = CFM<i><span style='font-style:italic'>s</span></i> *0.000365 +
A             where A=
PD*CFM<i><span style='font-style:italic'>s</span></i> /4131 and PD = 1.4</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>might be a
reasonable solution?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>                       
PTAC fan power = 0.00063 kw/cfm</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Does anyone
else have experience with this puzzle?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=section1 style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><strong><b><font
size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Kathryn Kerns</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=section1 style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><em><b><i><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:
bold;font-style:normal'>Systems Specialist</span></font></i></b></em><o:p></o:p></p>

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size=3 color=teal face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-variant:small-caps;color:teal;font-weight:bold;font-style:normal'>BCE</span></font></i></b></em><strong><b><font
size=2 color=teal face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-variant:small-caps;color:teal'> </span></font><font color=teal><span
style='font-variant:small-caps;color:teal'>Engineers, Inc.</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=section1 style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><strong><b><font
size=1 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
color:black'>| Ph: 253.922.0446 | Fx: 253.922.0896 |</span></font></b></strong><font
size=1 color=black><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:black'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

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font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=section1 style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><strong><b><font
size=3 color=black face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:black'>Kathryn Kerns</span></font></b></strong><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=section1 style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><em><b><i><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:
bold;font-style:normal'>Systems Specialist</span></font></i></b></em><o:p></o:p></p>

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size=3 color=teal face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-variant:small-caps;color:teal;font-weight:bold;font-style:normal'>BCE</span></font></i></b></em><strong><b><font
size=2 color=teal face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-variant:small-caps;color:teal'> </span></font><font color=teal><span
style='font-variant:small-caps;color:teal'>Engineers, Inc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></b></strong></p>

<p class=section1 style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><strong><b><font
size=1 color=black face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:9.0pt;
color:black'>| Ph: 253.922.0446 | Fx: 253.922.0896 |</span></font></b></strong><font
size=1 color=black><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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13.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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