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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’ve often intentionally differentiated space conditioning equipment for spaces housing significant process loads between my baseline/proposed models without
incident from the LEED reviewership, per your example #1. Commonly occurring scenarios include server rooms and elevator machine rooms with small mini-split DX cooling.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’ll maintain, this is something that can and should remain open for interpretation by the modeler – not one mold will fit every project. There may be cases
where modeling consumptions/loads and the corresponding space conditioning discretely is overly complex or disadvantageous, in which case holding everything constant between the models would be an acceptable approach. A self-contained walk-in freezer with
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Whatever you choose, I wouldn’t flip-flop too much on the issue within the same project. Try to take a unified interpretation and apply that to both baseline
and proposed for each space/case – it will make documentation for EAp2 spreadsheets easier later.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org [mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>The Watt Doctors - Dave Weigel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 20, 2012 6:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Another process load question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">This is more of a LEED / ASHRAE 90.1 question, but I see a lot of experience in this group. I hope someone has some experience with a LEED review on this issue. It may be a
moot point, but I can’t go into the arguments below without a little backup.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">A debate has arisen among engineers, architects, and a LEED AP regarding the cooling energy for space conditioning in an area with process loads. This is specifically related
to 90.1-2007 exception G3.1.1.b, and to a literal vs. extended interpretation of 90.1-2007 part 3.2, definitions:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Process energy : energy consumed in support of a manufacturing, industrial, or commercial process [implying medical equipment as well] other than conditioning spaces and maintaining
comfort and amenities for the occupants of the building.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Process load: the load on a building resulting from the consumption or release of process energy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">This may be a moot point if it has already been the subject of a LEED 2009 CIR, or if there is an official ASHRAE interpretation or addendum. I haven’t been able to find any
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">The liberal-interpretation side views it this way:</span></strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">The definition of process load says “consumption or release,” and says nothing about removing the heat from the space.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Process energy is the total input energy to a process. The additional energy to cool the space in which the process resides is not process energy, it is a building space conditioning
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Example 1: A server room, MRI room, or a room full of autoclaves is allowed to have system 3 (packaged DX VAV) in the baseline model under this exception rather than system 7
(chilled water VAV). While the process load itself must be simulated the same in baseline and proposed design cases, energy savings from the higher efficiency of the space cooling system is included in the bottom line savings. This includes the cooling load
imparted to the space by the process load, such as the waste heat from the autoclaves, MRI, or servers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">The conservative-interpretation side views it from the polar opposite position</span></strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">. They contend
that all input process energy plus the energy required to remove its waste heat must be held constant, no matter if the cooling is done by a building air system or by the building chilled water plant.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">For the definition of process energy, “energy consumed in support of manufacturing, industrial, or commercial process,” they claim that the energy to remove waste heat is “in
support of” the process and must be counted as process load.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">In eQuest terms, the conservative side says we must extract the hourly cooling loads that are due to each and every piece of waste heat from process equipment. Then we re-insert
that cooling load profile as process energy and hold it constant from the baseline to the proposed design as an external load on the meter. So, the MRI process load turns into the input power plus the energy to cool it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I'm not saying which side I'm on. I would not be a big fan of extracting and manipulating all those load profiles, especially in the case of that welder.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Dave<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">David R. Weigel, PE<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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