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    <font size="+1">As an adder to this the wind speed also varies with
      the height of the building.  The wind speed for a locations
      weather file is at a standard reference height and would also be
      adjusted for height of the building.<br>
      Bruce Easterbrook P.Eng.<br>
      Abode Engineering<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/09/2012 12:22 PM, Nick Caton
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I can add a
            probable bit of method to the madness for those concerned:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The reason
            exterior air film is not entered as a static property, nor
            reported lumped in with the constructions’ overall assembly
            U-values, is because it’s actually a variable property. 
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The reference I
            have handy (Table 5-12, 2001 Fundamentals) lists multiple
            resistance values for moving air (at various speeds) and
            still air (for various surface orientations and directions
            of heat flow). 
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I take it as
            implicit that eQuest/DOE2 models this variable contribution
            from the exterior air film in consideration of the hourly
            windspeed data available from the weather file, so
            presenting any single value could be misleading.  I’ve had
            to make that clarification a few times for those
            scrutinizing the construction reports without the eQuest
            detailed simulation reports reference handy ;).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hope that helps
            a bit!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Stylus
                BT","sans-serif";color:#2D4D5E">NICK
                CATON, P.E.</span></b><b><span
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#CC9900">SENIOR ENGINEER<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#CC9900"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E">Smith & Boucher
              Engineers</span><span
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              Roman","serif";color:#CC9900"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E">25501 west valley
              parkway, suite 200<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E">olathe, ks 66061<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E">direct 913.344.0036<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#2D4D5E">fax 913.345.0617<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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                moz-do-not-send="true" href="www.smithboucher.com"
                title="blocked::www.smithboucher.com"><span
                  style="font-size:10.0pt">www.smithboucher.com</span></a></span><u><span
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              </span></u><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
                [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Dahlstrom, Aaron<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 10, 2012 4:20 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> Peter Hillermann;
                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Building Walls<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Peter – <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">We’ve
            noticed the identical issue. Another way of stating it - the
            sequence of layers input for the baseline and the proposed
            should EXCLUDE contributions from air film. eQUEST adds the
            interior air film as a separate entry under the Layers tab.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><img id="_x0000_i1025"
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            height="328" width="459"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">ASHRAE’s
            regulations for baseline constructions include the
            contribution of the exterior air film at a specified
            windspeed. As far as I can tell, this is how the u-value
            displayed on the LV-D report is calculated. (Report says
            “includes exterior air film”).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">However, we
            have noticed that the value displayed inside eQUEST as
            “calculated u-value” does not match the u-value from the
            LV-D. My theory is that the item shown in eQUEST includes
            the interior air film but not the exterior air film. (From
            Vol 2 dictionary, under CONSTRUCTION:U-VALUE - “For exterior
            surfaces, equals the overall conductance of the surface
            including the inside air film but excluding the outside air
            film.”)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><img id="_x0000_i1026"
            src="cid:part4.09070905.00060408@bellnet.ca" border="0"
            height="341" width="475"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I’m just
            learning about this issue, so any wisdom from more
            experienced folks would be welcome!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Aaron<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"
            style="line-height:150%;text-autospace:none"><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">Aaron
                Dahlstrom , PE, LEED® AP</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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            style="line-height:150%;text-autospace:none"><b><span
                style="font-family:"AvantGarde Bk
                BT";color:#17365D">In P</span></b><b><span
                style="font-family:"AvantGarde Bk
                BT";color:#619428">o</span></b><b><span
                style="font-family:"AvantGarde Bk
                BT";color:#17365D">sse</span></b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">
              – </span><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">A
              subsidiary of</span><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray"></span><b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#CC0000">AKF</span></b><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">|
              1500 Walnut Street, Suite 1414, Philadelphia, PA 19102 </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            style="line-height:150%;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;line-height:150%;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">d:
              215-282-6753| m: | In Posse: 215-282-6800| AKF:
              215-735-7290</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray">e:
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:ADahlstrom@in-posse.com">ADahlstrom@in-posse.com</a>
              | in posse web:
              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.in-posse.com/">www.in-posse.com</a>
              | akf web: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://www.akfgroup.com/">
                www.akfgroup.com</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:gray"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>
                [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>]
                <b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter Hillermann<br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 10, 2012 2:02 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
                <b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Building Walls<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">To All:<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">A general piece of information I got from
          our engineer when we had done the energy model for LEED and
          something to look out for. He let me know that in the baseline
          for wall construction to make sure you add in the air film
          (inside and out) otherwise LEED has an issue with your
          submission.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Our exact comment was this:<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The
            Baseline Case roof and exterior wall U-values reported in
            Table 1.4.1A (U-0.048 and U-0.065, respectively) are<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">inconsistent
            with the U-values reported in the LV-D report (U-0.054 and
            U-0.063, respectively). Please ensure consistency<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">across
            construction drawings, software summaries, and the EAp2
            Template.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Hope it helps.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I also don’t know if anyone has this
          summarized, because I used the baseline walls from this forum
          that someone had posted and that was the response.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">PS: Thank you to this forum, we ended up
          getting LEED Certified.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
              style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"ITC Avant Garde
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