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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">To play devil’s advocate: If you feel a LEED reviewer would approve of modeling a cooling system that simply doesn’t do anything, what about simply not define
a cooling thermostat schedule? Makes capacity and unmet hours both non-issues and the thing will never expend energies trying to cool. As always, baseline thermostat schedules (or lack thereof) should match the proposed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">That said, I’m going to stir the pot and say I’m not advocating this approach. My reading of 90.1, independent of LEED reviewer commentary, is we’re supposed
to actually heat and cool all conditioned spaces in the proposed design, even if only heating or cooling is provided. Providing cooling or heating means in the system set up to never cool or heat misses the point*. I have not tried addressing the issue
in that fashion under a LEED review (on the contrary, I cooled the space in a baseline-equivalent fashion). I can only caution a reviewer may not agree with the less conservative interpretation – if others have experienced otherwise, please share!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">*PS: Honestly I can only speculate, but I think the “point” of this rule is to not permit an ‘unfair’ advantage for buildings which do not require heating
or cooling for a given area, relative to other buildings going through the performance rating method. If that’s truly the goal, I personally think it would be more elegant to simply have the baseline follow the proposed design’s conditioning requirements.
As it stands, it sort of “punishes” building owners/designers for saving energy by recognizing designed conditions of comfort can and should vary by space function.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Howe, Timothy<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 08, 2012 12:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Karen Walkerman; Pasgar, Arash; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Gas INFRA-RED radiant heater<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">That creates unmet load hours.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Karen Walkerman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 08, 2012 1:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Pasgar, Arash; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Gas INFRA-RED radiant heater<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">... so set it to 1<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Howe, Timothy <<a href="mailto:Timothy.Howe@stantec.com" target="_blank">Timothy.Howe@stantec.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue">Unfortunately that does not work. Setting the capacity to zero will just make the program autosize it
for you. The only way to prevent the cooling from activating is through the thermostat setting.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Cell: <a href="tel:%28585%29%20330-8681" target="_blank">(585) 330-8681</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 08, 2012 12:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Howe, Timothy<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Pasgar, Arash; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Gas INFRA-RED radiant heater</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">"Technically you need to model both heating and cooling in the baseline and proposed"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">You can also model a different HVAC system that includes cooling (and allows for a baseline), and simply set the cooling capacity to 0.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Howe, Timothy <<a href="mailto:Timothy.Howe@stantec.com" target="_blank">Timothy.Howe@stantec.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Technically you need to model both heating and cooling in the baseline and proposed<o:p></o:p></p>
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