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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If you model the balcony slabs as building shades (how else would you model them?) and set the TRANSMITTANCE = 1 in the baseline “so that it does not shade
itself”, the modeling results should be the same as if there were no building shades. So you can add building shades for balconies in the baseline (or leave them in if starting from the proposed model) if you want to show them in a 3-D representation, but
either way you should not “model” their shading effect in the baseline for LEED/App. G.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gurneet Singh<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 07, 2012 1:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> omoltay@mimtarch.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> eQUEST Users List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Projecting Balconies in Baseline Model<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would model the balcony in both baseline and proposed case as I feel adding a balcony is more of a functional requirement rather than a shading requirement. As per ASHRAE the building shall be modeled so that it does not shade itself,
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Ömer Moltay <<a href="mailto:omoltay@mimtarch.com" target="_blank">omoltay@mimtarch.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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In a high rise building we are working on for LEED certification, each floor has balcony slabs that provide a great deal of shading to the spaces in the floor below. The balconies circumvent the whole floor plan. They are part of the passive features to decrease
cooling loads. Would these be considered "shading projections" and not be modeled in the baseline building? This is what we wish to do, but have doubts whether the USGBC would reject this modeling approach?<br>
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