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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>Arash,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:6.0pt'><font size=2 face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt'>I’ve used the following approaches to model overheat
gas radiant heating systems.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Since
doe-2 does not have models for heating that is predominantly radiant in nature;
the assumption I use for the heating models are that the predominant gain
mechanism is convection.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I assume
the system is well modeled by using a heating coil in the space, such as a
baseboard system (which has no flow).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>If
the heater is constant output when on then you could use a reset controlled
baseboard with a flat output relation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>If
they are space temperature controlled then you use thermostat control. Both
would be good models.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>If
control is variable based on people sense of comfort then you need a
relationship between space temperature and comfort and then alter the
thermostat schedule to match that relation.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Dennis<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Nick Caton<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 25, 2012 8:30 AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Pasgar, Arash;
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Equest-users] Gas
INFRA-RED Radiant</span></font><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Hi
Arash,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>There
are a couple right answers.  Here’s an approach I’ve used:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=msolistparagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
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</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]>System type UHT<o:p></o:p></p>

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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>       
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font color="#1f497d"><span
style='color:#1F497D'>Zero out fan energy (0.00 kW/CFM), if there are no space
circulation fans tied to your IR heater operation<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=msolistparagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Symbol><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:
Symbol;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>·<font size=1
face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>       
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font color="#1f497d"><span
style='color:#1F497D'>eQuest doesn’t simulate the skin-heating comfort
effects of radiant heat.  If you run into unmet heating hours, you can
justifiably lower associated thermotat setpoints to account for this.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=msolistparagraph style='text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><font
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face="Times New Roman"><span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>       
</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font color="#1f497d"><span
style='color:#1F497D'>DOE2 help files advise adjusting your HIR to 1.05 if
products of combustion are not being vented out of the space (industrial
applications).  <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color="#1f497d" face=Calibri><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>~Nick<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b><span style='font-weight:
bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Pasgar, Arash<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, May 25, 2012 10:09
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Equest-users] Gas
INFRA-RED Radiant<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Hi
all,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>First
of all sorry about the previous message.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>I
have a storage using gas infra-red radiant heaters. Is there accurate way to
model this.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Calibri><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Thank
you in advance for your help.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=3 color="#404040" face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#404040;font-weight:bold'>Arash
Pasgar<br>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:#404040'>Mechanical Designer</span></font><font
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v. 210.546.0200 | <a href="http://www.dbrinc.com">www.dbrinc.com</a></span></font><font
color="#404040"><span style='color:#404040'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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