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<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Calibri><SPAN
class=480510514-17052012>RK,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Calibri><SPAN class=480510514-17052012>Here is
another string related to file size etc. from some time back.
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff face=Calibri><SPAN
class=480510514-17052012>It may or may not not apply to your current
problems.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff face=Calibri><SPAN class=480510514-17052012>Best of
luck.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org
[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Nick
Caton<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 16, 2012 6:03 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
rubu98@gmail.com; equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Equest-users] Large model crashes on changing system<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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yes, you can create a partial model and import into another. I have
attached a guide to this approach (also findable within the mailing list
archives and elsewhere on the web). <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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You could take an approach using what you proposed for #2, but I would first try
to define your middle stories as single-story shells with no ceiling or floor
(adiabatic) and then assigning an appropriate shell multiplier at the first DD
shell wizard screen to get the quantities right. That should avoid the
whole top/middle/bottom thing.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">I
also suspect sheer size to be the foundation of your troubles, with
geometry-induced errors following close behind. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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you’re still stuck I would look hard at whether there’s any means to simplify
how your 74k windows are defined and/or the associated perimeter wall
geometries. To that end I’ve also attached a previous discussion where a
window/wall geometry error was causing crashes in a large model – might be
instructive/helpful for your current situation. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Hopefully
the above suggestions will simplify things back into working order, but if not
it is sometimes productive to save a dummy copy of your file and you’ll find
removing a specific shell or system will return the model to stability, in which
case re-creating the offending item can be faster than trying to ferret out the
actual cause. If you take this approach try to work backwards from the
point you first noticed issues.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>rubu98@gmail.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 16, 2012 3:09
PM<BR><B>To:</B> equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org<BR><B>Subject:</B>
[Equest-users] Large model crashes on changing
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<P>Hello everyone,<o:p></o:p></P>
<P>This is my first post to this forum - have been using eQuest for a few months
now, having used VisualDOE for a few years. I am modeling a large building
(about 50 stories, with 21 different shells), and currently I have one system
per floor (34 systems total). However, when I try to change the system type for
even one system, eQuest crashes. Also, every time I go into DD Wizard to
simplify my model and exit the wizard, I would get an "Unhandled Exception"
error and eQuest would crash again. Besides, I have about 74,000 windows in the
model too. <o:p></o:p></P>
<P>It'd be great if someone could point out what is wrong with the limited
information I can explain above, but to resolve my issue, I am considering
alternative solutions and would appreciate if you guys can comment on
them: <o:p></o:p></P>
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<LI
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"
class=MsoNormal>Is there a way to avoid creating Top, Middle and Bottom floors
for multiplied floors and have only one floor? Cutting down on two extra
floors for every shell with mutipliers might help. <o:p></o:p>
<LI
style="mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1"
class=MsoNormal>Is there a way to split up the model into two, enter all
inputs seperately and then import one model into another to complete the model
and run the simulations? I know this sounds complicated, but would appreciate
some pointers from people who have successfully tried this
before.<o:p></o:p></LI></OL>
<P>Thanks, <o:p></o:p></P>
<P>RK.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV></BODY></HTML>