Thanks to all for your quick answers!<br><br>I think I will go for calculate the heating and sensible loads, and look at ashrae handbook for references, then, of course, Iīll try to find some information about state-of-art in aquaculture facilities.<br>
<br>I thought to calculate ventilation loads using as reference a natatorium surface, but I`m unable to recognize the quantities of fish, or density (fishes/m3).<br><br>It`s supossed to be an "quarantine fishpond" (salmons), but I donīt have too much information about it. I will ask for more detailed information and I will back here.<br>
<br>Thanks!<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Arpan Bakshi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arpanbakshi@gmail.com" target="_blank">arpanbakshi@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>We had a recent project with exterior fish ponds looking at their effect on microclimate. Any experience w/ this condition?<br><br><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Arpan</span></div></div>
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rates. Then once you get that information you can model the ventilation rates
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] fishpond<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">You can model it but you will need to calculate the latent and
sensible loads yourself, at least if you are using eQUEST. Without having
experience with fishponds, I would approach it like a natatorium (indoor
swimming pool) and use the ASHRAE Handbook HVAC Applications Chapter 5 for
design guidance and loads calculations. Also, see this article: <a href="http://hpac.com/humidification-dehumidification/simplified-calculating-evaporation-1011/" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://hpac.com/humidification-dehumidification/simplified-calculating-evaporation-1011/" target="_blank">http://hpac.com/humidification-dehumidification/simplified-calculating-evaporation-1011/</a>
for alternate method of calculating evaporation loads. Based on your drawings,
I would also research state-of-the-art for aquaculture facilities, as that
looks to be what you are designing.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Salvador Jara Toro<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 03, 2012 11:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] fishpond<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">Sorry, but I
meant "design" instead of "model"... because I donīt think
to model a room with water in it be possible...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Cristian
Salvador Jara Toro <<a href="mailto:cristian.jara.toro@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:cristian.jara.toro@gmail.com" target="_blank">cristian.jara.toro@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">Greetings!<br>
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I have to model a room with a fishpond (more like close to a several fountains
where fishes will be inside). WxLxH=9x13x2.5 in meters.<br>
Has anybody modeled something like that? <br>
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So, what I need to know is about ventilation rates for a room like that, wich
contains water and fishes swimming in it, but my worry is about condensations,
so if anybody has some paper or standard, please let me know.<br>
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Thanks in advance...<span style="color:#888888"><br clear="all">
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<span>Cristian Jara Toro</span><br>
<span>Cel: 6 207 8566</span></span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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Cel: 6 207 8566<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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