<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>We had a recent project with exterior fish ponds looking at their effect on microclimate. Any experience w/ this condition?<br><br><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.28125); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.214844); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.214844);"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.28125); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.214844); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.214844);">Arpan</span></div></div><div><br>On May 3, 2012, at 11:46 AM, "Mike Hupel" <<a href="mailto:mhupel@aegiseng.ca">mhupel@aegiseng.ca</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
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color:#1F497D">Bill beat me to it. Your ventilation load would be calculated as
if it were a natatorium using total surface area, temperature and evaporative
rates. Then once you get that information you can model the ventilation rates
and make-up. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;
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[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bishop,
Bill<br>
<b>Sent:</b> May-03-12 11:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Cristian Salvador Jara Toro; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org"><a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] fishpond<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D">Cristian,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D">You can model it but you will need to calculate the latent and
sensible loads yourself, at least if you are using eQUEST. Without having
experience with fishponds, I would approach it like a natatorium (indoor
swimming pool) and use the ASHRAE Handbook – HVAC Applications Chapter 5 for
design guidance and loads calculations. Also, see this article: <a href="http://hpac.com/humidification-dehumidification/simplified-calculating-evaporation-1011/"><a href="http://hpac.com/humidification-dehumidification/simplified-calculating-evaporation-1011/">http://hpac.com/humidification-dehumidification/simplified-calculating-evaporation-1011/</a></a>
for alternate method of calculating evaporation loads. Based on your drawings,
I would also research state-of-the-art for aquaculture facilities, as that
looks to be what you are designing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D">Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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[mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Cristian
Salvador Jara Toro<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 03, 2012 11:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org"><a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] fishpond<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">Sorry, but I
meant "design" instead of "model"... because I don´t think
to model a room with water in it be possible...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Cristian
Salvador Jara Toro <<a href="mailto:cristian.jara.toro@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:cristian.jara.toro@gmail.com">cristian.jara.toro@gmail.com</a></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">Greetings!<br>
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I have to model a room with a fishpond (more like close to a several fountains
where fishes will be inside). WxLxH=9x13x2.5 in meters.<br>
Has anybody modeled something like that? <br>
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So, what I need to know is about ventilation rates for a room like that, wich
contains water and fishes swimming in it, but my worry is about condensations,
so if anybody has some paper or standard, please let me know.<br>
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Thanks in advance...<span style="color:#888888"><br clear="all">
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<span class="hoenzb">-- </span><br>
<span class="hoenzb">Cristian Jara Toro</span><br>
<span class="hoenzb">Cel: 6 207 8566</span></span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Cristian Jara Toro<br>
Cel: 6 207 8566<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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