<font color="#336666" face="verdana, sans-serif">I use both Energy Plus and eQuest, and try to choose between the two for features not preference. </font><div><font color="#336666" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div>

<div><div><font color="#336666" face="verdana, sans-serif">Energy Plus can produce many comfort calculations, including PMV, eQuest can not. </font></div><div><font color="#336666" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div>

<div><font color="#336666" face="verdana, sans-serif">I spent a moment and went through an Energy Plus file I am working on and copied most of the possible variations of comfort objects, and published them to this google spreadsheet: <a href="https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak5Rfmjyon9idHJLUW8tbjhHOWpNUE9nMkhrdDdBTGc"> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak5Rfmjyon9idHJLUW8tbjhHOWpNUE9nMkhrdDdBTGc</a></font></div>

<div><br></div><div>Hope this helps, and if you decide to use and need some help with Energy Plus please let me know. </div><div><font color="#336666" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font><div><div style="text-align:left">

<font face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#999999"><i>Jeremiah D. Crossett</i></font></div><div style="text-align:left"><font face="verdana, sans-serif" color="#999999"><i>CleanTech Analytics</i></font></div><div style="text-align:left">

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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Alex Krickx <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:akrickx@seriousenergy.com">akrickx@seriousenergy.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’ll second the suggestion to purchase the Thermal Comfort tool. It is easy to use. I believe that a newer version was recently released – we’re still using the 1994 version.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">However, I’m not sure that it solves Jason’s problem – it still requires a user-entered Mean Radiant Temperature which I don’t believe eQUEST gives as an output.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">When we use the tool (specifically for perimeter comfort analysis understanding the impact of different glazing options on comfort) we make some assumptions on wall/floor/ceiling temps, some calculations on glass-temperatures, and some further assumptions on the ratio of glass-to-other surfaces from the occupant’s perspective. Based on that we can calculate the PMV for that single point time with those conditions.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’ve used software in the past that was able to calculate PMV for every hour of the year (so every hour it would combine air temp, a calculated MRT based on surface temps, humidity, etc) and then give an output for how comfortable the space was throughout the year (with hourly outputs of PMV for different spaces).  I don’t believe that eQUEST gives the necessary information (surface temps) to do this type of analysis.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I included Jeremiah’s response below which suggests that Energy Plus can do these calculations. This was my impression, however I have never used E+ to do them.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Kind regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<div class="im"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Alex<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#262f13">Alex Krickx, LEED AP<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:gray">Building Energy Specialist<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Serious Energy, Inc.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">1250 Elko Dr, Sunnyvale, CA 94089<u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="mailto:akrickx@seriousenergy.com" target="_blank">akrickx@seriousenergy.com</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">
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</div><div class="im"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#336666">Energy Plus does PMV and inside surface temperatures as well...</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">

<span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#336666"><br clear="all"></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#999999">Jeremiah D. Crossett</span></i><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#999999">CleanTech Analytics</span></i><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#999999"><a href="tel:503-688-8951" value="+15036888951" target="_blank">503-688-8951</a></span></i><u></u><u></u></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>

</div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Kathryn Kerns [mailto:<a href="mailto:kathryn.kerns@bceengineers.com" target="_blank">kathryn.kerns@bceengineers.com</a>] <br>

<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 12, 2012 8:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> Alex Krickx<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Equest-users] Can you use eQuest for PMV calculations?<u></u><u></u></span></p>

</div></div><div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Alex, ASHRAE sells a Thermal Comfort program which will do these calculations for you based on temperature, humidity, air speed, etc. It doesn't cost much and is easy to use. Check the ASHRAE website for things to purchase.</span><u></u><u></u></p>

</div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center"></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> on behalf of Alex Krickx<br>

<b>Sent:</b> Wed 4/11/2012 3:42 PM<br><b>To:</b> Jason Quinn; <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Equest-users] Can you use eQuest for PMV calculations?</span><u></u><u></u></p>

</div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Hi Jason,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">

<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I’m under the impression that eQUEST can’t output surface temperatures which are needed to calculate PMV values.</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I think an EnergyPlus based program might be a better place to look. I would ask on the Bldg-Sim list for recommendations as it has a broader user-base (this list is eQUEST specific).</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Good luck,</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Alex</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#262f13">Alex Krickx, LEED AP</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:gray">Building Energy Specialist</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Serious Energy, Inc.</span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">1250 Elko Dr, Sunnyvale, CA 94089</span><u></u><u></u></p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">(t) <a href="tel:408.541.8124" value="+14085418124" target="_blank">408.541.8124</a></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">

<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><a href="mailto:akrickx@seriousenergy.com" target="_blank">akrickx@seriousenergy.com</a></span><u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a> [<a href="mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">mailto:equest-users-bounces@lists.onebuilding.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jason Quinn<br>

<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:36 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org" target="_blank">equest-users@lists.onebuilding.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [Equest-users] Can you use eQuest for PMV calculations?</span><u></u><u></u></p>

</div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p><p>Is it possible to use an eQuest model to do thermal comfort PMV (Predicted Mean Vote) calculations per ASHRAE 55/RP884?<u></u><u></u></p><p>If not are there any recommendations?<u></u><u></u></p>

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